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« on: May 26, 2015, 11:01:16 AM »
After two topics here how to upgrade from 10.6.8 to 10.10 and some 52 posts later (Thank you, all!), I've had to return my NEW Seagate 3 TB USB3 external hard drive from Canada to the States. Waiting for a replacement. Their website tells me it may a refurbished model! After my $140 Seagate purchase at Best Buy, I am wary of any Seagate replacement.

So, I need to buy another 2 or 3 TB EHD from a reputable online source. What model do you recommend?
What size makes sense?...

I have 400 gb in working files on my 24" iMac. 2.66 GHz.  640gb HD. 8 gb RAM.  
And am using one 500 gb EHD for cloning.

I need the 2nd EHD with partitions for:
1) Time Machine back up. What size of partition?

2) One partition with 10.6.8 so I can access my 1000s of Freehand MX files that will not open in 10.10.
(FH are vector files and they are small in size. So this partition may not need to be large?)
 
3) Clone of the 10.6.8 partition.

Once I get this done, I can go back to upgrading the OS!
« Last Edit: May 26, 2015, 11:01:47 AM by Raven »
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« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2015, 11:14:49 AM »
I have always bought Hitachi DeskStar drives (now called HGST). None of them has ever given me any trouble. Currently, I have two 2TB drives in an OWC Mercury enclosure. Although buying from Other World Computing is not feasible for you (since you're in Canada), you should still be able to get Hitachis. I don't know which enclosure to recommend. So far, my OWC Mercury has been fine.

I would stay away from Seagate. I have heard that Western Digital is good but I have no experience with that brand.

2TB should give you plenty of storage space, even after partitioning. As was previously stated, 3TB drives may have problems.

My 2¢.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2015, 05:22:35 PM »
I'm looking online in Canada and there are a ton of WD and Seagate EHD's in the 2-4 TB range. Not my first choices anymore. I haven't found an Hitachi of this size in stock anywhere.

I did find this one...
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...3&CatId=136

It is more $$ than the others. But with a 3 year warranty.
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2015, 08:00:48 PM »
I don't know anything about that one, but you can order a hard drive from amazon.ca. For Hitachi choices (and others), visit this page. As was stated in your previous thread, it is probably better to buy the drive and enclosure separately. You pay less, ultimately, probably get a better warranty, and have more control over what you have. Installation is ridiculously easy.
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« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2015, 11:10:52 AM »
Thanks jchuzi.
I've looked at that page and obviously a ton of choices!

I'm looking for a 2 TB, "External Hard Drive". I see ones listed as "Hard Disk Drive" and "Internal Drive". Some come included with their enclosure. Others need one, as you mentioned. Some are portable, which I don't need.

Just to clarify, what's the description of the one I need? Must it say "External Hard Drive"?
How do I determine the right enclosure for any one I eventually order?
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2015, 01:06:22 PM »
Any internal drive can be placed in an enclosure and used as an external drive. Internal and external drives are exactly the same thing. It all depends upon whether the drive is installed in your computer or in an external enclosure. The ones listed as "External Drives" are already in an enclosure.

Look for a 3.5 inch drive that operates at 7200 rpm. That will give you the most bang for the buck. You want an enclosure that accepts that size (the rotational speed doesn't matter insofar as installing the drive in the enclosure is concerned). I have no experience with enclosures aside from the one that I have, so I can't make a recommendation. This Amazon page has some choices. Someone else will have to jump in with an evaluation of the various brands.
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« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2015, 08:35:18 PM »
I don't know much about the enclosures on the first few pages of the listings at Amazon, but have had good results with both Vantec and Rosewill enclosures like the ones at Newegg:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.a...amp;PageSize=30

Note - get a USB 3.0 drive, even if your current Mac doesn't have USB 3.0. It's backwards compatible and if you do upgrade your Mac (if you don't have a USB 3.0 capable one now) then you won't be regretting your pokey slow USB 2.0 drive enclosures.

Obviously, you are looking for an enclosure for one drive - not a raid array. wink.gif

I still like the WD Blacks, with 5 year warranties:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822236624

Hitachi/HGST drives seem to be harder to find - lots of NAS ones, but not desktop models.
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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2015, 12:25:12 AM »
What's better - fan or no fan?

One unit said in the fine print it's compatible with OSX10.7. Which means I couldn't back up my 10.6.8 with Time Machine BEFORE I upgrade to 10.10. Is that wise? Although I have one EHD already as a cloning unit.

Quite a gamut of pricing for enclosures from $24 to $64. What's the main difference?
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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2015, 04:52:50 AM »
You can back up any data you like to a hard drive. The limitations of the Apple OS apply to actual computers, not hard drives. If your computer can't run Snow Leopard, for example, you can still install it or have a TM backup on any hard drive. Hard drives are not fussy about what is stored on them. Same thing for enclosures.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2015, 11:29:13 AM »
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fan or no fan?
Yes. I like them, others had rather save the cost. Some make more noise than the Mac. Newer drives use much less energy and thus create much less heat. Good ones have temp sensors that will shut down the mechanics if they over heat. Flip a coin a few times and take your choice.

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the fine print it's compatible with OSX10.7
Mostly, out-of-date marketing speak. Drives must be formatted for whatever OS they 'talk' with; they just come formatted for Windows, mostly. Many marketing folks have finally realized that they can save tech support phone calls by simply not specifying any OS or just saying "Mac OS". OTOH, they do have problems with the wide array of "Windows" OSs now available. rolleyes.gif

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pricing for enclosures from $24 to $64. What's the main difference?
Just like cars, vacuum cleaners, and dinning experiences. Sometimes you get benefits from the 'high priced spread'. Many times you just get higher priced marketers.

The important things to look for (in my humble opinion) are the newest chip sets (this can take research), length of warranties, manufacturer reputations, and massively good reports! The last three are usually available at he larger seller sites.

Just to throw in another monkey wrench, I'll be considering a NAS system (probably with multiple drives). Not wirelessly connected but with Ethernet. That way, I can have one box for both my wife and myself very easily and with higher connection speeds. I worry more about what would happen if she lost access to her data; she has but one back up drive; partitioned, but still one mechanical device. eek2.gif The drives are the same, as usual, (a drive is a drive, mostly) they simply connect differently. Of course, with my luck, by the time she needs a new laptop, Apple will have eliminated Ethernet... I think they already have from the Air? wallbash.gif
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2015, 07:29:21 PM »
My 2013 Retina MBP doesn't have ethernet either, Jim. It's been gone a while now. wink.gif Of course, you can still do Thunderbolt to Ethernet.

And NAS drives are not exactly the same - they can have both different firmware and slightly different hardware. They're optimized for different environments.

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=1241379

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-attached_storage
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« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2015, 11:00:23 PM »
WOW!
While I was trying to decide what other EHD to buy, my replacement Seagate Backup Plus, USB 3, 3TB drive arrived today. I had sent the unit back to Seagate in California on May 20 because it didn't work when I first tried it. This one is a completely new unit. No questions asked after I told them all the error messages I received. I am impressed!

So, I partitioned it and backing up with Time Machine, so I can go on to upgrading from 10.6.8 to 10.10. Except, Gawd, it's taking a loooong time. I've got 340 GB of files to back up at 3 GB per hour! I'm using a USB 2 cable. I've turned off the Energy Saver option. Can I just keep working on my documents and hope nothing stalls this procedure or cuts off my power? It's going to take days!!

The next step will be downloading Yosemite and see what happens after that. Thanks everyone here for your advice and patience. TS'ers are the best! ;-)
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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2015, 09:07:27 AM »
USB 2 is one of the slowest current communications protocol. It was originally designed for use with peripherals like keyboards and mice, not hard drives. USB also depends on the computer's brain for control, so doing anything else will slow down the transfer process. Using the machine's cpu also helps keep the costs down, often the most important driving force in Windows PC's.

USB 3 gets close to the now discontinued Firewire 800. Of course, Thunderbolt blows even that out of the water. Of course, it is not being widely accepted (meaning, by Intel, who has vested interests in USB), just like FireWire wasn't, so it's the most expensive. Oh well... good luck with that 3TB drive! wink.gif
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