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« on: February 01, 2003, 12:15:00 PM »
Ever since I began using Safari, I have not had any problems with pop up windows, great, but as soon as I click on IE thr windows are popping up everywhere.  Needless to say, I like that feature in Safari to block pop up windows.

I as well like the Mail program that comes with Mac OS X, and the spam filter option/junk mail is nice as well.  However, isn't there any progress in Apple Mail program that will eleminate spam alltogether.  I tried the bounce feature, but it's not that successful, because everytime i bounce something back, it always comes right back to me (server unknown).  

All input welcome, I hate spam,     I hate spam        

Did I mention I hate SPAM     I thought so...

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« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2003, 01:15:00 PM »
Tonye, I think you're wishing a little too much.  

Yes, the popup blocker in safari is nice, but it only works in safari. It won't block popups in other browsers. For that, you would need a seperate product.

Mail is getting good at getting rid of junk mail, but there is no way to fully get rid of it. Filters and stuff are nice, but Spamers know how to get around them.

So, my suggestion, Use Safari more, and you won't get popups. Use filters in mail, and you'll SEE less junk mail. Nothing more to offer.

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« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2003, 07:50:00 PM »
Tonye, the reason your spam bounces back to you is that usually spammers "spoof" the return addresses - that's one of the reasons that Spamcop exists - if we could just look at the headers and say "aha" and report the spammers, it would be much easier! But, generally, you can't. Run your spam through spamcop.net and report it - that's a start in getting these abnoxious twits shut down.

However, I have found the most effective way of eliminating spam is not to get it in the first place:

1. Change your email address. A bit of a pain, but worth the effort. Once you've done that, follow the rest of "Paddy's Rules":

2. NEVER, ever, ever leave one of those checkboxes checked that allows vendors to add you to their "affiliates" lists for "notification of special offers that might interest you". Doesn't matter who it is - don't do it. And unless the vendor states explicitely that they never sell their lists or provide information to other vendors, don't sign up for their "notifications" either. Amazon, Barnes & Noble, the airlines, all appear to be ok - but always read the privacy statements.

3. Never, ever respond to a spammer's "if you want to be removed from this list, email us" - it's almost always a surefire way to just get on yet more lists - "hey - here's a live one!".

4. Read the fine print - some so-called "free" services, including free web hosting can dump you onto "affiliates" marketing lists. These may be big name legitimate companies - like Dull, but it doesn't make it any less annoying.

5. Never put your primary email online. Anywhere. If you have a website, do not use or enable "webmaster@yourdomain.com" as the email address. For a contact email address, always hide it from email spiders - there are several methods - the easiest of which is to use "and sign, number sign, 64" instead of the "@" in the html code. (remove the commas and put in the proper symbols - I can't type it here or it will turn into an "@"!) There are also several other methods and one little freeware program called Spamstopper X which generates code to essentially accomplish the same thing.

6. And although this didn't produce spam, it produced something just as annoying - telemarketers! NEVER sign up for any of the services where "we'll have the three firms you'v chosen contact you with a free, no-obligation whatever" - I made this mistake when refinancing our house recently. I signed up at MonsterMoving.com for 3 companies to provide me with quotes. Big mistake. Within 10 days I was getting call after call from OTHER companies offering to refinance my house. Sometimes 3 or 4 a day! I contacted MonsterMoving via email and told them in no uncertain terms that I was appalled that this had happened and to remove me at once from any and all lists. They did - and the calls have now stopped.

7. If you have friend(s) with the bad habit of sending on hoax emails, complete with millions of forwards and all the associated email addresses, remind them nicely that they shouldn't do this - nobody knows where these emails might land and his/her friends wouldn't be pleased to find themselves added to some spammers list. Also point them in the direction of www.snopes.com. I still can't believe how many of my seemingly otherwise intelligent friends have been so eager to tell me that Bill Gates is giving away his fortune.  

8. If you must sign up for something that exposes your email address to the unknown (the internet, or simply unknown others, as in an mail list) use an easily discarded web-based email addy from somewhere like Yahoo. Not only can you dump it if it becomes problematic, you also don't have to cope with any spam landing in your primary email program, since you have to use a browser to retrieve your mail.

9. Don't use hotmail or aol. Two of the most spam-ridden ISP's out there.

There may be some other things I've forgotten to mention, so if anyone has anything to add...fire away.
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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2003, 01:47:00 AM »
I have found my own ISP (Virgin.net) very helpful. If I recognise a pattern in a build-up of spam, the routine now is "view source" in one of the messages, copy and paste the entire message into an email to Virgin's abuse team. I get an automated response thanking me for the info, and saying they will get on to the sender's ISP. So far (touch wood!) it has been effective in stopping that particular offender. I have also installed Popthing, on the recommendation of a TSer (sorry, can't remember who), which lets me check emails and kill off spam before downloading them. On a dial-up that's a really great time saver  
 
 [ 02-03-2003, 05:35 AM: Message edited by: Highmac ]
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2003, 05:19:00 PM »
Thanx for all the helpful input...

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2003, 09:15:00 PM »
Tonye, I am afraid that spam is here to stay.  Until a year or so ago I rarely received spam because I did all those things that Paddy recommended.  But then my business e-mail address was nabbed either from a website where my contact e-mail was listed (I am on a few photographer websites...) or the info was grabbed from a website registration database.

I would like to add a couple of suggestions to what has already been offered here.

First, I personally find web-based e-mail services to be a Royal Pain In The Arse, whether it be Hotmail or Yahoo.  I want to be able to access my e-mail using my e-mail app, and web-based e-mail accounts receive a ton of spam anyway.

I have developed (with help, of course...) filters that direct 99.9% of all spam I receive to a specific mailbox.  I only rarely get bona fide mail directed to the spam mailbox, and such cases can be easily corrected.

If you are interested, a search of the TS archives will bring up at least a one post from me that details how to set-up effective spam filters.  You will have to use an e-mail app that allows for filters that are robust enough to do the job; Eudora is one and there are others too.

Finally, years ago an anti-spam article turned me onto the idea of using a commercial e-mail forwarding service in order to defeat spam and better manage e-mail

An e-mail forwarding service allows a person to keep their basic e-mail address hidden while also giving you the option of having more than one e-mail address that is forwarded to your ISP e-mail address.

Another plus is if you ever switch ISPs and get a new e-mail address you will not have to notify anyone of this fact, because your forwarding service addresses will remain the same.  All you have to do is let the forwarding service know what your new ISP e-mail address is going to be.  Mail can also be forwarded to multiple addresses, which can also be a handy thing.

So if your e-mail changes from tonye@charter.net to tonye@att.net, as far as anyone will know  your address remains tonye@pobox.com (my forwarding service).

And there is a very good chance that you can create the e-mail address you want at Pobox.com, unlike AOL where you may wind up being tonye4567@aol.com...

If you have a Significant Other, kids or a business they can all can have unique e-mail addresses through the forwarding service that are sent to one e-mail address.  Then your e-mail app can filter the e-mail to the appropriate mailboxes.

With a forwarding service you can create one or more e-mail addresses that are for questionable uses, such as the dreaded Website Registration question (Do I or Don't I?), public posts using your e-mail, etc.  If the spam gets to be a bit much at that address, toss it and create another.  It takes about two minutes online; same with changing the address where mail is forwarded.

I was able to ascertain where my e-mail address was probaly grabbed by spammers because of how I use my various addresses...

I have been using Pobox.com for years and I wouldn't trade it for anything.  The service is great, they have spam filters of their own that flag spam and are very accurate, and a basic account with up to three addresses is $15 per year.  The first month is free so you can see how you like the idea.

You can have up to 9 addresses on a single account for an additional $7/year for three addresses.  My wife and I have two Pobox.com accounts with 12 different addresses and it works like a charm.

HTH!

   
 
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