I *think* I did this successfully!

[Xairbusdriver]

QUOTE(Sooz @ Feb 23 2018, 02:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Hi again, Jim and John and Paddy and others,

I got the .dmg to go into the Trash and I emptied it. Success!

One of your images shows the Trash has stuff in it.. Click on the 'trash can' and send us a screen shot (unless there are personally identifiable file labels).

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Yes, Disk Utility is in Utilities within the Applications folder on my hard drive, and SuperDuper! is in my Applications folder on my hard drive.

Now, however, I have a SuperDuper! icon in my dock, and also on my desktop. The one in the dock has a little dot under it that shows me it's open or working or whatever. Can I just put the one on the desktop in the Trash or should it stay on the desktop as well as in the dock?

My opinions/suggestions are below. *

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Jon, should I still test the SD! 'clone'?

Also, should I just let the computer fall asleep when I'm done with it, or should I continue choose "Sleep" under the apple?

Although I'm not Jon, I have some help here, I hope. You have set Energy Saver to automatically "put the hard disks to sleep when possible". Plus, you have told the Mac to "Turn display off after: " 10(?) minutes. I believe you also have scheduled the computer to "Sleep" around 12:15am(?). These are all basically the same kind of "sleep", although it may be possible to have your drives running even after your display goes black.

Therefore, manually selecting "Sleep" in the Apple menu, doesn't do more than what you've already set up the Mac to do with your Energy Saver settings.

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"BTW, it appears that you have not used the "Journaled" formatting. It's not absolutely required and your main (internal) drive should use that."
^^^^ I have no clue what journaled formatting means.

"Journalling" is simply a way that helps the OS to keep track of things it does to the drive. You choos that when you first erase/format the drive along with creating a name for it in Disk Utility. You posted an image back on the 21st that shows the SuperDuper! drive info in Disk Utility. The label shows "SuperDuper iMac backup" as the name you created for it. Below that is some text that shows is is a "2 TB USB External Physical Volume OS X Extended". If it had been formatted as we recommend it would say "2 TB USB External Physical Volume OS X Extended (Journaled)". Unfortunately, I don't recall any of us specifically saying that. My bad. However, it is easy to do, even now. But I'll post that info in a separate place as this post is getting long enough and it's TIME FOR DINNER (Supper, as we say down south)!

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I don't know what this is (or why it looks like something extra to me)... can I just ignore it??

* Those are both the same thing. The first image is showing you what I have been calling the "brand name" drive. The second is the actual "volume" in that drive. Look at the section just above labeled "External". There are the two Seagate "brand" drives (Seagate BUP Slim..."). Inside them are the "user-named" Volumes that you named/created using Disk Utility.

Notice that the "Apple UDIF read o..." label is under the "Disk Images" section. That is the file you downloaded from the SD site and double-clicked. You then dragged the SD icon onto the "Applications" icon to actually install the SD app in your Applications folder. That is telling us that you never did eject the disk image showing in the left-hand area of any Finder window. (Finder->View->Show Sidebar). That is also why the SuperDuper! icon on your Desktop. It will disappear when/if you either (1.) Select it in the Finder window Sidebar and click its eject button OR (2.) Select the SuperDuper! icon the Finder window Sidebar and use the Finder->File->Eject "SuperDuper!" command [Command-E].

Of course, you can also just drag it to the Trash, as others have suggested. However, make sure you don't have anything in the Trash that you were simply 'storing' there. Always Empty the Trash as soon as possible after putting anything in it. Obviously, you should double check what is in there before emptying it! Once you empty the trash, you may not be able to ever get that item back, so be sure you know what you are really deleting. That's why "ejecting" a drive is much safer than dragging it to the Trash and then Emptying it; you may delete other things when you empty the Trash. This is a major erer in the user-interface of the Mac and has been discussed and cussed for decades.

[Sooz]

Hi, Jon,

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You should definitely test the clone that you made with SD ...

I'll check the clone tomorrow.  

I checked the Energy Saver preferences and checked the Enable Power Nap.  Thanks for the suggestion!

The SuperDuper! that was on the desktop has been "ejected"/trashed, and there is nothing in the Trash (I also emptied the trash).  
SD! is on my HD under Applications, but not in my Utilities folder--is that a problem?

Thanks again for ALL your help and encouragement!!
Sooz

[Sooz]

Hi, Jim,

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.....manually selecting "Sleep" in the Apple menu, doesn't do more than what you've already set up the Mac to do with your Energy Saver settings.

Oh, okay! I didn't really know this.  
Should I not have the computer scheduled to sleep at 2:00 am (I think I told it 2am for its sleepy time)?

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If it had been formatted as we recommend it would say "2 TB USB External Physical Volume OS X Extended (Journaled)". Unfortunately, I don't recall any of us specifically saying that. My bad. However, it is easy to do, even now. But I'll post that info in a separate place as this post is getting long enough and it's TIME FOR DINNER (Supper, as we say down south)!

Okay!   I shall await instructions later today or tomorrow.
When I double click the "SuperDuper iMac backup" external on my desktop, it shows the format has been journaled--huh?
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Thank for the reminder about emptying the Trash. I usually do it once a day.

Jim and Jon, this dessert's for YOU!!! It's a new-to-me recipe and it's one of the most delicious things I've ever made!
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Smiles,
Sooz

[Xairbusdriver]

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this dessert's for YOU!

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When I double click the "SuperDuper iMac backup" external on my desktop, it shows the format has been journaled--huh?

You are correct! I looked at the Disk Utility image you posted back on the 21st and it does not show the "Journaled" part. But I went back and looked at the Get Info window you posted in the same post and it does show "Journaled"! Must be an El Captan thing.

Sure enough, I checked a Journaled drive on my Mac mini still running 10.11.6. A Get Info window shows "Journaled" but a DU window does not! Oh well, looks like you did the formatting just fine!

Would still like to see a screen shot of the left half of a Finder window...

[Sooz]

Okay, Jim, no cake for you!  Cookies maybe?

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Would still like to see a screen shot of the left half of a Finder window...

You'll have to direct me as to how to do the left half of a Finder window for what ... did you want it as Get Info for my hard drive? I took this screenshot... or did you want it for SD! or am I not doing it right? I can't keep things straight - maybe because it's past my bedtime tonight...or maybe I'm just dense!    Just point me to the directions again please.
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Also, here's my empty Trash can.
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[jchuzi]

QUOTE(Sooz @ Feb 23 2018, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

SD! is on my HD under Applications, but not in my Utilities folder--is that a problem?


Sooz

It's my problem because I misread your original post. Keeping SD in Applications is fine.

[Xairbusdriver]

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Would still like to see a screen shot of the left half of a Finder window...

You'll have to direct me as to how to do the left half of a Finder window for what ... did you want it as Get Info for my hard drive?

I think I see that you are using the "List" view in Finder. That's OK. However, I have been referring to the "Sidebar of a Finder window" and you appear to have that hidden. That's OK, also, it's just the way I have Finder and PathFinder set up. I want to see all my drives when I have a Finder or PathFinder open in a window that may cover the entire width of my screen. The "Sidebar" provides that and much more.

With a Finder window open and active ("Finder" will show next to the black Apple icon in the menu bar), click the "View" menu. You should now see various ways to show the same info in a Finder window. Yours will show a checkmark beside "List". Further down that menu is the "Show Sidebar" option. Please click that and you should now see a fairly narrow column on the left-hand side of the Finder window.

As for making just a partial screen capture of any window, try using this three key combination: Shift + Command + 4. The cursor will change to a circle with a vertical and horizontal line forming a "cross hair". The pair of numbers indicate exactly which pixels the 'cross' is over, nice but not too useful.

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If you don't see a change to the above cursor, please open System Preferences. Click the "Keyboard" prefs icon. Select the "Shortcuts" tab in the four labels just below the top of the window. Now, select the "Screen Shots" label in the list on the left side of the window.

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You will probably need to click the checkbox next to "Save picture of selected area as a...". Most of us have all four of those check boxes checked, I think that is the default setting with any OS.

With that 'crosshair/circle' cursor, you can click and hold at any point on the screen and drag the mouse diagonally to create a rectangle surrounding any area of the screen you want. That way, you can capture a tiny piece of anything on the screen instead of a whole window or the whole screen.

[jchuzi]

QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Feb 24 2018, 11:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

With that 'crosshair/circle' cursor, you can click and hold at any point on the screen and drag the mouse diagonally to create a rectangle surrounding any area of the screen you want. That way, you can capture a tiny piece of anything on the screen instead of a whole window or the whole screen.

Wow! I didn't know that! Thanks for the tip  

[Sooz]

Surprisingly, I do know how to do the "crosshairs" to save as screen shot or partial screen capture -- it saves to my desktop, and it's what I've been using to embed all my screenshot things that I've posted.  

As for the Finder stuff, here is what I get when I click View:
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Then, I click on View.... and Show View Options, and I get this as a narrow sidebar:
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I don't see "List" with a checkmark beside it.

What am I missing?

[Xairbusdriver]

Did you have a Finder window open when you grabbed that first image? The “List” and the other three options are in that image but grated out, I suspect because there is no open window. Menu are usually “context sensitive” meaning that they change depending on what might be showing in an app or what the app is doing. Finder is just another app.

[Sooz]

Aw, shucks, y'all just set me up for success, don't ya?!  Jon does too!  I am grateful for TechSurvivors!

Ohhhhhh, I get it now!!!
I did Command + F...   and here's the screenshot (is this what you needed?)!  
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[Xairbusdriver]

Thanks! Your last image shows that you have ejected (one way or another) that SuperDuper! disk image.

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I did Command + F

OK, that's certainly one way to do it. I usually have a PathFinder (a third-party alternative to Finder) window open any time the Mac is on. Another way to open a Finder window is to click on any of the Desktop area that might be visible (that will assure that Finder is the front-most app) and then use command-N. Command-N, BTW, is the standard, universal way to open a window in 95% of any app you have.

Back to "context-senstive" menus, in the first paragraph I mentioned clicking on the Desktop. That is what we call the image you see on your screen even if you have absolutely no applications running. As soon as you open most any app, you may notice that the label in the upper, left-hand end of the Menu bar and just right of the black Apple icon, will change to the name of the just opened application. Some of the other labels in the Menu bar may also change; they will now be all the menus that new app needs. The Menu bar (as a whole) is 'sensitive' to what application is "active" or front-most. In this case, while Finder is still running, it is now in the 'background' and the app just just started is now in 'front'. Therefore, its Menus are now in the Menu bar. If you need to use Finder, just click on a Finder window, if one is open, or click on part of the Desktop image that is not hidden by any window of any other app.

A very handy way to switch among apps without having to even touch the mouse/mouse pad, is the command-tab key combo. Try that command, if you haven't done so in a while. How about those huge icons?! I don't even need my glasses to see them! And they show the name of the app as you move left/right among them! That is accomplished with the left or right arrow keys. When you get to the app you want, just release one of the keys and... Wah Lah! (sorry for the Latten) That app is now active, front-most and its menus are now ready for use!

Still, all menus may not be available at all times, they are always 'context-sensitive'. If you want to use the "List", "Icon", "Columns" (my favorite!) or "Cover Flow" choices, you must have a Finder window open. Otherwise, there is no window to have displayed in any particular way, thus, those menu items will be grayed out.

I hope you don't feel I'm talking down to you, I'm betting you already knew all the above. OTOH, you never know when a complete Noobie may read this post and have no idea what we are talking about. And I need to be more careful when providing a list of steps that may not be applicable because the reader may not have things set up as I do!

[Sooz]

Oh, Jim, you could never talk down to me!  You're an "angle" to be so helpful to me!  (you're a *right* angle)  😇
Anything I may already know is certainly a surprise to me anyway!!!    

Thanks for taking the time to 'splain all the ins and outs to me about this stuff!  I'm learning, but may not remember unless I do these things frequently enough for them to embed in my brain!  I know List, Icon, and Columns but never did hear of Cover Flow!  Wow!

I'm not a complete Noobie, but seriously, I often have no idea of things which is why I recognize that I learn by baby steps with pictures!