Apple's Updates/Upgrades

[Bruce_F]

Is anyone besides me tired of Apple continuously breaking things so that buying new products is the only solution to having a happy computer?

My MacBook Pro from 2009 is now too old to run 1 Password with Safari. Fortunately, Firefox still supports the Extension so now I use it the majority of the time.

I would love to have a new computer every time Apple decides to change things, making older systems obsolete, but that's just not possible. Don't get me wrong, I love Apple products! I currently have my MBP, an older iPad, two iPhones and an Apple Watch. I just wish they would continue to support older Hardware and Software rather than forcing people to continuously buy new.

   for letting me rant. 

Hoping everyone has a Happy Christmas! 

[Xairbusdriver]

1. What version of Safari are you using?
2. What version of 1Password?
3. What version of macOS X?
4. What would you suggest as an appropriate time limit of supporting hardware and operating systems?

I suspect that, no matter what brand of computer or operating system you ever own/buy, it will eventually become unusable. It will either die from lack of sustainability or from lack of market share (the developing company will go out of business). I don't think Apple has ever supported any OS beyond 6 or 7 years, if that long. Certainly not 10.

Agile has reported that 1Password 6 will not run on Safari 13 or higher, as Apple has changed the 'plug-in' / extension function to a more secure method. Security is one of the biggest reasons for many changes in any operating system. Same applies to applications. Security attacks are always changing and "improving" and we would most certainly be complaining loudly if developers did not make improvements in protecting us from those who would do us and our data harm.

[Bruce_F]

I understand what you're saying, Jim. I know that hardware/software developers have to move ahead. Advances in technology demand that. In this case, it would be great if they could try harder to make software backwards compatible. I trust Firefox to be a safe browser. The developers are constantly working to update the browser, even to keep a current extension for 1Password. So my feeling is, if Firefox can do it, why not Safari?

I'm not planning to keep this MBP much longer. It has been upgraded as much as possible. I'm happy Other World Computing is still out there for people like myself. If it hadn't been for their help this old computer would have died long ago.

My laptop is currently running OS 10.11.6. It won't go any higher.

Safari is version: 11.1.2. I talked to tech support at 1Password and they can't help me with the Safari extension I lost. They suggested using Firefox until I can get a new computer.

1Password is version: 6.8.9

I guess I have strong feelings because starting in 1992 with my first Apple computer, I was working and I stayed current with technology. When I got into graphic arts, it was fun to be on the cutting edge and it was affordable. Now that I'm retired, technology has gone leaps and bounds ahead of me.
 

[Xairbusdriver]

Have you tried accessing the 1Password Safari extension from this Canadian site? Look at that page and see if it offers the older ( .safariextz ) extension for Safari. It should 'see' the OS and browser you are using and allow access for El Capitan and Safari. I can't show you an image with that since I am using Safari 13 which requires 1Password 7.

[Bruce_F]

The Canadian site has the same information as the US site. There is no link to an earlier version of Safari and the 1Password extension. The tech support guy I was talking to probably would have let me know if there was some way to download the extension.

So, I just found out that when I logged onto the computer using my wife's login, the Safari browser still has the 1Password extension and after I synced the 1Password files Safari works fine! So, now I just need to figure out where the Safari Extension is stored so I can copy it.

I lost the extension on my login when I did some "cleanup" and accidentally cleared out too many files.

Can you tell me where the Safari Extensions are stored?

[jchuzi]

In my Catalina system, Safari extensions are stored in ~/Library/Safari/Extensions It's probably the same for you.

[Bruce_F]

I can find the Safari extension file but it doesn't show up in the browser while I'm logged into my user name. When I login using my wife's login, Safari has the 1 Password Extension and it works.

Apparently, the problem stems from something I did a few days ago while doing some cleanup. I must have trashed a file that allows Safari to use the Extension.

[Xairbusdriver]

As I understand it, you and your wife are both using the same computer? But you have two different user names/accounts. I assume one of you is the "System Administrator".
Login in using your wife's user name. You will each have a "~"/"Home" Library ("~" means 'home' Library for that user). If it does not show in a Finder window let us know and we can go from there
            OR
simply use the "Go" menu item in Finder and 'go' to the "Library" item.

Search the path jon supplied and find the Extension with the .safariextz suffix (I think it will also contain "1PW" somewhere in its name). Make a duplicate of that extension. Move that file to any shared folder you can both access.

Please let us know,
if you do not have any Shared folder that you each have access to
        OR
when you have accomplished these steps.

[jchuzi]

To add a little to Jim's suggestion, you can find a Shared folder in the path ~/Shared

[Bruce_F]

Yes, we are using same computer and I am the System Administrator.

Now I can say that I have located the Safari Extensions in both of the user files. Both Extensions in each location were created on the same date but I still copied the working extension and replaced the one that is not working.

What I still can't figure out is, why the Safari browser that I'm currently using to post this message has no extensions in the Toolbar. There should be two - 1Password and Adblock. There seems to be something unrelated to the actual Extensions causing this problem. 

[Xairbusdriver]

You may have missed this:

Move that file to any shared folder you can both access.

The purpose of moving the extension somewhere other than its correct and final location is to give the OS an opportunity to do that job.

Many extensions can be loaded in the correct location by simply double-clicking its icon. The OS then 'sees' that it is something that needs to be put in a certain System folder and it will do that for you. This sometimes allows you to start using that extension immediately. At other times, it requires you to go through a Start Up process which allows the OS to note which extensions, daemons, scripts, etc. should be active.

You may have better luck following this 'automatic' process rather than manually moving things where we think they should be. Moving is but one part of the installation process. Updating the OS (through a Start Up process) is another part.

When you install some software (especially as the Administrator), you often get a dialog asking if you want to install only for your use or for "All users". I usually use the latter option as I may want to boot up as a different user to test for problems in my normal user account.

You are almost there! Hope you get things back in good order before I return from a vacation in January!

[Bruce_F]

I did move the file to a shared folder but I didn't actually change/move anything until after I discovered that the file exists in each respective Safari Extensions Folders. Only then did I replace the Safari extension to see if it would in fact make a difference.

When I found that both the 1Password extension and the AdBlock extension were residing in their folders but the Safari Browser in my login doesn't show anything in the Toolbar, I assume there's another problem. That's where I'm stuck.

No matter… it won't be long before I retire this old computer for a new one. I would like to be able to get software that is currently unavailable to me. I miss being able to manipulate images like I used to do daily.

Thanks guys, for all your help and insight into this. It's been fun!

Merry Christmas to all!

[Xairbusdriver]

Since you already have the extension in that shared folder, check the modification dates and the file size. One could be newer even if created on the same date. A larger file size may indicate changes that are newer. While you are at it, make a copy of the current extension and save it (edit its name) so you can know which one is which. If everything is identical, just take the rest of the day off!

If you decide to install the newer/larger one, just try double-clicking it while it is still in that shared folder. The OS will either completely ignore you (as often happens to me various places ) or it will ask if you want to replace the current version.