MamaMoose, I'm a bit puzzled as to why you haven't been able to get Safari to work. What exactly is the problem? I've never had a problem with it, and it is now my preferred browser by a country mile (followed by Mozilla/Netscape). I wouldn't worry about it "lurking" - if you've chosen another browser as your default, it should stick. Same for Mail. I rarely use Mail - Entourage is my preferred mail client, and that preference certainly stuck through the Panther install a few minutes ago. The only way Mail opens is if I deliberately open it.