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Offline george

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« on: September 11, 2006, 06:44:35 AM »
I rather care for the opening chimes of the Performa 630, is it possible to replace the rather morbid one of the G4 MDD?
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2006, 11:31:02 AM »
George, I don't think you'd want to try - seems like it's burned into the ROM. Read the replies to this article - they're easily as entertaining as the article itself:

http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2005/05/tin...ac-startup.html
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2006, 12:14:25 PM »
as always Paddy, thank you.
as you say it's not worth the hassle.
Pity that Apple did not allow the end user to have a choice of "chimes" after all we do pay "big money" and the least they could do is let us fiddle on with our toys, but then we do not live in a perfect world.
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« Reply #3 on: September 11, 2006, 12:22:50 PM »
I found these threads about it, as well.

This link speaks of it being in the EPROM, about which dictionary.com says:
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a memory chip whose contents can be erased by a mechanism using ultraviolet light and reprogrammed for other purposes.
Another link.

Your only choice is to mute the chime completely, and I've used AppleScripts forever to do that. In OS X I use these instead of the usual restart and shut down commands in the menu bar. They mute the volume so the computer starts without the chime the next time.

tell application "System Events"
set volume 0    
restart
end tell

tell application "System Events"
set volume 0    
shut down
end tell

If you want to try them, start AppleScript then paste each one into a separate blank and save it as an application in the drop-down menu next to File Format under the window. Then uncheck everything. But you can leave Hide Extension checked, if you want.

You can save them in the Applications folder, and from there drag them into the dock.

Paste the following script into another AppleScript blank and save it the same way, and drop it into the Applications folder, as well.

tell application "System Events"
set volume 3    
end tell

Or you can set it to 1 or 2 or 4 or 5, etc. — whatever number best matches the setting of your speakers' volume control.

Then go to Accounts in the preferences, and add this script to the log-in items, so it runs automatically every time the computer starts. The volume won't turn up until after the now-muted chime has triggered.

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2006, 04:20:40 PM »
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Apple engineers would also change the startup sounds used on prototype Macs sent out for third-party testing. I worked on Macs that played "Ding-dong, the witch is dead" and whistle "If I only had a brain" from the Wizard of Oz. Another Mac, the Quadra 840AV I believe, was set to play the drum intro from the movie "The Terminator" when starting up.
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Oh, I would love one that would whistle "If I only had a brain!" WOW.gif  I don't currently own a EPROM burner but it might be worth it!  Maybe next year!
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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2006, 04:52:56 PM »
George,

Another way to mute your startup chime, is to use TinkerTool System, shareware € 7.00. All you need do is check a box in the Startup/Startup Chime pane.

FWIW: It also has a myriad of other features. A most worthwhile utility, IMNHO  eusa_dance.gif
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2006, 05:17:26 PM »
Additional note - the free version of TinkerTool doesn't have this feature.

Yeah - I thought the "if I only had a brain" chime was brilliant too! Ok - so who's going to email Apple and suggest customizable start-up chimes? Hey...a whole new market for the iTunes store to explore!! biggrin.gif
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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2006, 05:23:51 PM »
And then there is the old mechanical way: plug a headphone into the Sound Out jack; kills the speakers. To turn the sound back on: remove the headphone jack from the Sound Out.

Theoretically, the startup chimes are a system/hardware reliability/trouble-shooting check. Different problems cause different startup chimes. If one were to alter the chime/tones, one would lose this highly benefitial but rarely used 'tool'. Kind like the chain saw chain I found 'hidden' in the chain saw carrier after I spent 2 hours running all over town trying to find a suitable chain! It was/is there, but that doesn't mean it can be used! blush-anim-cl.gif
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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2006, 05:54:23 PM »
QUOTE(airbusdriver @ Sep 11 2006, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And then there is the old mechanical way: plug a headphone into the Sound Out jack; kills the speakers.
That's too easy. I turn off the light by climbing a ladder and unscrewing the bulb.

After finding the ladder and turning the light on again, I found this StartupSound.prefPane that kills the chime. It's freeware.
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StartupSound.prefPane is the software which controls the volume of the  startup sound of your Macintosh computer. StartupSound.prefPane mute  the startup sound without changing the output volume setting.
I also downloaded that Mactracker app mentioned in Paddy's link near the top of this thread. Funny hearing my long-gone LC and 6100/66 again.

I'm not sure whether Macs still have death chimes. There aren't any in the Mactracker app for the newer machines.
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« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2006, 06:40:13 PM »
I had a small app called "Startup Chime Stopper" ( the name takes more bytes than the app! ) that I ran for several months. It was probably a unix script that did the same thing as the AppleScripts I'd used before. Of course, back in that archaic OS 9 environment, we actually had "Shutdown items" as well as Startup items. Ah, progress! smile.gif

Actually, you can make the "plug in a haedphone" method as difficult as you want. You can arrange a series of pullies to remove it after Startup. I would suggest a 'trigger' mechanism with an ice cube 'safety'; when the cube melts, the 'trigger' fires and the plug is pulled by a large counter-weight ( try to enclose the weight as they are dangerous to small children and animals! ). You may also want to design a transport sysem for the small amount of water to direct it to a nearby plant, thus avoiding the questions about small wet spots on the carpet...flower-smilie.gif

Not sure about 'death chimes', but you can be sure that if you hear no chime and the screen remains black with no lights or other sounds, it is a sure indication that your Mac is dead. Or it's just unplugged! oops.gif
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2006, 07:19:04 PM »
QUOTE(airbusdriver @ Sep 11 2006, 07:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
. . . the 'trigger' fires and the plug is pulled by a large counter-weight ( try to enclose the weight as they are dangerous to small children and animals! ).
There's a Sherlock Holmes story with something like that, involving a pistol, a bridge, a rope and a frame-up. clap.gif
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. . . you can be sure that if you hear no chime and the screen remains black with no lights or other sounds, it is a sure indication that your Mac is dead. Or it's just unplugged!
In the late '70s, my workplace called a repairman who drove 130 miles one way to plug in a teletype machine. No! I didn't call him!

I think that when Jobs returned to Apple, the machines never crashed or died again. They only failed to proceed.

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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2006, 09:21:44 PM »
This thread may go down in history! toothgrin.gif
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George, I don't think you'd want to try - seems like it's burned into the ROM. Read the replies to this article - they're easily as entertaining as the article itself:
How right you are, Paddy.

One of my favorites . . . toothgrin.gif    toothgrin.gif    toothgrin.gif  
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. . . just very very fiddly, and requires some extremely low-level geek skills:
a) extract your ROM chips without damaging the chips or the iMac's board
b) extract the data from the ROMs
c) find the sound sample location in the ROM dump
d) create a new sound that is *precisely* the same size
e) over-write the existing sound in the ROM dump with yours
f) burn the new ROM dump back to a new set of EPROMs (assuming you can find a blank equivalent to the custom ROM ASICs Apple use, which is unlikely)
g) fit the new ROMs back into the iMac, and pray it all works.
Emphasis aded.

Oh! suuure!
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2006, 01:26:35 AM »
Oh my, you never know what will lead to what....

I read through the comments on that page and came across this files of Mac sounds compiled.

http://www.jgiesen.de/javascript/HTML/HTML...ds/FunkyMac.wav

It occurred to me that at least two sounds in there were part of the music I was mysteriously drawn to recently.  I wonder if there was some sort of underlying brain connection that made me like the music due to my experience with Macs. Thinking.gif

Here is the music "Wizards in Winter" which seems to include some of the Mac chords. Windows Media file.

http://69.27.160.125:80/33/90/f4/90f4ee903...mp;MSWMExt=.asf
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2006, 03:51:58 AM »
methinks things have become over complicated.
All sorts of monetary ways to dispose of (my opinion) the morbid chime of G4 when all I have to do is have the sound switched off on start up.
No, I am looking  to Willie (you know big WG himself) or one of his minions to include  some low level fiddle-ability whereby I can transfer chimes from one machine to another.
Now that ain't asking too much, or is it?
George

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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2006, 03:02:47 PM »
D76 -

Holmes: There remains the puzzle of the chime in the night!
Dr. Watson - There wasn't a chime in the night.
Holmes: Exactly!
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