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« on: October 20, 2006, 06:00:49 PM »
<Citizendium>
 But I sure hope they come up with a better name, that one doesn't exactly roll off the tounge. wallbash.gif smile.gif

<More info on the project> Maybe we will have less trouble getting TS info on there? dntknw.gif

The html doesn't impress me. Can anyone explain why that page should be in a table?! wallbash.gif Stoopid! And this is supposed to be a project of the internet age?
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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2006, 10:51:05 PM »
I've done a bit of editing for the wikipedia and while I like it, I've also seen vandalism, editing wars over the tone or partisanship of an article on a controversial subject, and just plain misinformation.  I can see how that would eventually sour one of the founders sufficiently that he would split off and start his own competing encyclopedia.

The advantage of the Citizendium is supposed to be editorial oversight and expert arbitration of vexed questions.  I question where they are going to get the experts for free - but Wikipedia does (even though they are anonymous) so perhaps it's possible.

My main beef with the project is that it's going to start out with an exact copy of the Wikipedia and then allow their copy to evolve in a different direction.  That seems absolutely unfair to me.  OK, the creative commons license makes it legal, but is it right?  

I live in a rather nice house.  But someone else could have a nicer house for only 10% the cost of mine - IF they took my house away and used it as their starting point!
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2006, 04:50:42 AM »
Think of it more as a garden that you and a few others opened up to allow individuals to plant various species. When you saw that the garden was being polluted and/or being trampled I'd think you might feel justified in taking a sprout of each plant and going elsewhere to recreate your garden. This time you will be more careful about who comes to dig in your turf.

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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2006, 02:52:49 PM »
The analogy of taking your house away fails, because by copying Wikipedia, the new project is not taking anything away from Wikipedia. The old Wikipedia remains, exactly as it was.

In any event, this new project has been a long time coming. Wikipedia is a disaster. It's a shambles, rife with factual errors, poor writing, and inconsistency. It frankly alarms me how many people will accept Wikipedia articles as gospel, without doing any additional fact-checking; I have personally seen many egregious errors in Wikipedia entries, and the nature of the Internet means that the articles which stay put are not necessarily those which are most accurate, but rather those written by the most stubborn contributors.

Wikipedia's single greatest failing is the fact that it has no editor. Bringing an editor on board would do much to fix its many ills, weed out the most flagrant factual errors, and make the entries in general more readable and more uniform.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2006, 06:57:44 PM »
Give (or take) a little umbrage, when "we" (the TeeEss ExecComm, with your Obedient Servant drafting)) sought to initiate a citation for our friendly endeavor here, we were summarily blown-off by some unidentified (non)editor, without the merest vestige of rejoinder or appeal.

Boom! and that was that, dontyasee.

Well, not exactly, there were a few  "snotty" words returned, which presumably constituted an "appraisal" of our inadequate effort.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2006, 02:12:46 AM »
That's OK Dick. I registered there just to edit the home page of the guy who dumped us.  toothgrin.gif

He had an improper use of a word even though his background claimed he was an English major. laugh.gif
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2006, 07:46:53 PM »
I suspect the point of this Pushing Hands exercise is to improve upon Wiki's quality, of which I do agree could use a tune-up. I also suspect that WiKi is worth salvaging and this new project just may give it the incentive it needs to correct it's course.  coolio.gif
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« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2006, 10:27:06 AM »
XABD - Are you grumpier or happier now that you have an "X" in front of you Avatar name?
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2006, 04:06:58 PM »
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an "X" in front of you Avatar name?
I'm happily grumpy! eusa_dance.gif

BTW, just so you won't be thought of as a ludite, the "X" is actually infront of my old 'screen name'. Most 'Avatars' don't have 'names'. Just hang in there, all this high tech stuff is hard at first, but one day, I can see you maintaining a whole network of PCs and Macs! I have faith in your inate abilities! smile.gif harhar.gif
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2006, 08:54:07 AM »
dntknw.gif You know what I meant!
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2006, 12:31:29 AM »
I tried to find a decent reference for the Shannon-Nyquist sampling theorem but after searching thru Google, the only decent understandable reference was in Wikipedia! So I cited it but my publisher said NO! Wikipedia to them was not a legitimate reference system as it could change, disappear, etc. So, I was forced to expound on the theorem in an Appendix. I could have sent the reader to another more legitimate source but I did not to cofuse him/her any more than necessary.

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2006, 11:37:47 AM »
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the Shannon-Nyquist sampling theorem
Is that the one where a random sampling of Nyquil bottles from the shelves of several pharmacies near Shannon, Ireland was discovered in a tomb in Egypt recently?! dntknw.gif

BTW, have you tried Ask.com? ( Used to be Asl Jeeves, I think... )
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