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« on: December 12, 2006, 10:37:19 AM »
You may recall my recent report of my "tech support" agony in installation of Earthlink's hi-speed DSL?

It's been racing along quite nicely now for 4 days, without untoward incident, thank you.

One strange conflict – of data – so to speak.

What I'm seeing/sensing are FireFox (+ associated web pages, including TeeEss) and SeaMonkey just zipping right along. Call for FF to open and snap-your-fingers once and BINGO, there it is on the monitor, literally.

BUT, ask for a DSL speed test from, say dslreports . . .     Here . . . and the numbers are well below what I got  only a few days before leaving PacBell's presumed "garden variety" dsl. Below!

What is it that I do not understand about the measuring process? Anyone else out there experienced anything similar? Really puzzling.

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« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2006, 12:25:40 PM »
Test your speed using Speakeasy. You need to select the site that is nearest your location. I use SBC (AT&T) that is supposed to be 1.5mpps, however, my max is about 1.25mbps.
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« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2006, 12:50:35 PM »
I used the speakeasy one too and got download speed of 3689, 4098, and upload speed of 349 and 356 Kbps. (G4 and G5 on cable router) But when I tested them on other testing sites, I got very very different numbers.
I wonder why that is?
Speakeasy seems consistent the others dont?  Which one is telling the truth?
Its interesting?   I wanted to see if Comcast(our new cable provider) was different from Adelphia. And to see if the rates that they advertise are anywhere near mine.
I should look it up to see whats going on, but I know you all here can explain it more quickly and better.
Jane

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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2006, 12:59:41 PM »
Dick, it's not an exact science.
I'm on Mindspring Cable and I'm paying for 7mb download.
Distant server is S.F. is slower than the one in Miami. N.J. is in the middle.
Time of day makes a difference, area and density as well as quality of the pipe.
I'm in my easy chair 50 ft. away from my router. I can gain a 30% increase in speed just by putting this iBook near the Netgear Router.
Jane asked me today if your network was up, I told her I had barely seen you post and hadn't received any emails so it might not be working yet?

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dslreports.com speed test 2006-12-12 13:41:17 EST:
1623 / 470 (Kbps)
(198.2 / 57.4 KB/sec)
Compared to the average of 376 tests from mindspring.com:
•   download is 60% worse, upload is 22% better
•   --------------------
•   netaccess N.J.
dslreports.com speed test 2006-12-12 13:46:55 EST:
2776 / 473 (Kbps)
(338.8 / 57.8 KB/sec)
Compared to the average of 376 tests from mindspring.com:
•   * download is 31% worse, upload is 22% better


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dslreports.com speed test 2006-12-12 13:43:46 EST:
6084 / 476 (Kbps)
(742.7 / 58.1 KB/sec)
Compared to the average of 376 tests from mindspring.com:
•   download is 49% better, upload is 23% better

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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2006, 01:14:50 PM »
AT&T hasa a speed test site & the selected nearest location is a few miles closer to my house than the Speakeasy closest location. The speed test results on both sites are essentially the same.
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2006, 03:43:32 PM »
So it can be as far apart as that even when tested within 5 minutes.
But I was wondering why Speakeasy tests are pretty close and the others can be so far afield.
Jane

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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2006, 04:36:02 PM »
Read this and ponder . . .

"Original Recipe" PacBell/ATT (several measurements):  DL = 2422 kbps;  UL = 422 kbps

New "Extra Crispy" Earthlink (several measurements):  DL = 1263 kbps;  UL = 311 kbps

NOT the way it "feels"

Go figure! The Earthlink pitch was "5-8 mbps"

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PS: Details of measurement: @ Speakeasy site in SF, 16 miles distant, iMac is hard-wired (ethernet) to the swtich/router.

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« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2006, 06:43:19 PM »
I've read that the various bandwith measuring sites use different methodologies to arrive at their numbers, and cannot be effectively compared using the values given.  

Best to stick w/ only one site and use that to compare results.

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« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2006, 06:55:41 PM »
So perhaps I will stick with Speakeasy, as it is the only consistent one for measuring that Ive seen so far .
All the others are all over the map.
All I know is my speed sure seems plenty fast enough, and thats when I am uploading pictures to my pbase.com and .mac accounts.  And I sure dont upload tiny pictures, as I want my family and friends to be able to download and print out our grandkid and family stuff.  Am I evil for grabbing more bandwidth than people should use?  Not as long as its this fast here,,,,,,,
Jane

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« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2006, 08:09:54 PM »
Using Speakeasy (and assuming I got my adblock thing turned off correctly) ...

Based on Seattle - 323.5 miles from me:

Download Speed: 213 kbps (26.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 319 kbps (39.9 KB/sec transfer rate)

Good? Bad? Indifferent?

I don't know.

Guess it doesn't much matter since we only have 2 choices and we are using the only one worth a tinkers d*mn. wink.gif


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« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2006, 08:25:50 PM »
Unless you have FIOS, (fiber optics) I have no idea how you can achieve any more than 3 to 4 mbs on two phonelines Dick?

One thing to consider would be the distance to the new switch box V the old switch box, if there is one? OR your new wiring is not right, 1263 kbps can be achieved on a single line.

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« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2006, 09:35:34 PM »
Don't normally use SpeakEasy, they give you absolutely no comparison figures. Recent results using RoadRunner/Comcast:
CODE
City......................Download kbps.....Upload kbps
Dallas ( downhill )..........1905...............289
Chicago ( uphill  )..........1409...............278
Atlanta ( sideways ).........3345...............348
Second test using Atlanta gave more normal results of 2330/349.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2006, 09:48:34 PM by Xairbusdriver »
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Those that use metric = #1 Measurement system
And the United States = The Banana system
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« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2006, 12:35:05 AM »
What a PLEASURE to bring this tiresome saga to a startling (and successful) conclusion. At Last! Read On!

I said (above) it "felt" different than it was "reading" from Speakeasy and various other watering holes in the sometimes wasteland of the internet.

Here's what happened today.

I did some more "tests". All the results continued to be maddenly low – 1.0 MBps and slower for Download; 375 kbps and lower for upload. So . . . I consulted with my son the Linux guru, who said to leave it be . . . the internet is, has been and probably always will be mysterious at its core. Or words to that effect. He should know that you don't really want to tell the Olde Man to "leave it be".

At about 4pm, now that I'm on-line, albeit somewhat languorously, I called Earthlink's web site "chat", with more than a dollop of anxiety. This time I got an instant answer . . . just not the right one(s). Proceeded to occupy the time of 4 operatives up until 5 minutes to eight, at which time I declared myself tired of repeating answers on my identity, my Macs, my LAN, etc. etc. etc. and also conducting tests involving:

Confirmiing that none of the following were near the modem . . .
Halogen lamps
Fluorescent lights
Scanners
900 MHz cordless phones
Cell Phones
Ham radios
AM radios
Electrical interference (don't put the router near a Monitor, UPS or motor driven device)
Dialup Modem (!), fax, or other device on the same phone line
Microwave oven
A shoddy phone cord
Home security/Alarm system

and also

I ran a half-dozen speed tests on 3 or 4 dfferent sites ELN suggested. These were in addition to the frequent tests I’d already run over the last 4-5 days on my own. Tests that stimulated my call(s) today.
I switched ends of my modem line cord and my ethernet cable.
I turned-off OS X’s firewall
I cleaned FireFox’s Cache, History, and Cookies
Etc. etc.

Finally, I’ve was told I only signed-up for “basic” ADSL. Wrong! As my letter of agreement stated  . . . You've made the smart choice for super-fast DSL and super-simple phone service that saves you money on all your local and long-distance calls.

With patience running a bit thin, with "Mabel", "Kieth", "Sebastain" to mention but a few, I demanded to be "escalated" to a Manager. All I got was a Supervisor named "Rodger", but after he read the "transcript" of my four previous conversations he said, "Yes", I was entitled to 6+ MBps and if I'd call such and such number they could make the adjustment over the phone and on-line to get it for me. So I called.

South Asia, again. First call was 40 minutes on-hold and 15 minutes with an operative who said he'd check the line, for me, asked for all the ID info over agin, put me on hold for another 15 minutes, at which poiint I was disconnected.

Give up? Never! I was doing "stuff" at my desk while Mozart played again, and again and again. For 1 hour and 27 minutes.

But then, The Miracle Lady (with perfect American English) came on the line and in <3 minutes she reported she had me fixed-up for 6-8 MBps. Oh sure.

Rebooted, went to Speakeasy and instantly got . . . I am NOT mnaking this up . . . 6.15 MBps download 998 kbps upload.

I expect it to persist. I did not expect it to be this arduous. I was reinforced in my stubborness, something my Beloved sometimes wishes wouldn't happen.

Merry Christmas!

PS: No, I'm not going to "publish" the weary "Chat" transcript. I want to keep the friends I have hereabouts   harhar.gif    coolio.gif    Devilish2.gif    flower-smilie.gif
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« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2006, 02:01:48 AM »
Dick,

Congrats! Your persistence tells me that you should receive an MA in internet communication technology! Measuring your DSL "speed" is not a simple matter and often drives EEs crazy trying to get the right algorithm. It so depends on the number of bounces, the state of the various servers, the phase of the moon, the weight of Nicole Ritchie, and whether Bradgelina are still together!!!!!

The tech companies that supply the ISPs are run by very smart people but the underneath adminsitrators and tech support people don't know borscht! That is why probably someone who keyed in your app for service at the DSL ISP hit the wrong key and gave you the wrong service.

One more of the amazing adventures of RGPConsult by gun and camera through the forest of the internet and you will  ready for your PhD in Electronics and communication engineering.!

MamaMoose (Thesis adviser to the stars)

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« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2006, 05:36:42 AM »
QUOTE(sandbox @ Dec 12 2006, 01:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm in my easy chair 50 ft. away from my router. I can gain a 30% increase in speed just by putting this iBook near the Netgear Router.



Wow.
Now that the iBook is so close to the router you can plug it in and gain even more speed.

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Congrats Dick on sticking it out.  clap.gif


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