Author Topic: I\'ve created a monster (Read 6444 times)

hingyfan · « **on:** February 01, 2003, 02:12:00 AM »

Well i had a simple question: how do i get Classic in OSX?
What i did was install OS9 (which is what i have the disc for, a regular paid for disc, not one that came with a computer) on my separate partition. When that was not regconized in X, i tried installing it on top of X. I am writing this from OS9 on my OSX partition. Apparently i should not have checked clean install because it seems to have cleaned out OSX. At least thats what i think i have here, OS9 with some OSX applications, like this IE. I see something i downloaded in X so it has not been completely wiped out.
however clean install was mentioned somewhere on the apple site.
I realize now, after checking Pogue's book under OS9 (not the Classic chapter), i should have installed it and then updated it to OS9.2.
That was the answer i was looking for.
SO i have to start over, with no partition this time since, and then i'll ask again, how do i install Classic?
See you then.

bobw · « **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2003, 08:50:00 AM »

I would put X and 9 on their own partitions. If you want to run a utility on X, you can boot into 9 and run from there. You'll always have a way of booting the machine from a partition, even if one system goes south.

As for the install, when you install X, you'll see a dialog about instlling OS 9 drives, make sure you install them, then complete the X install. Then boot off the 9 CD and install that on it's own partition.

hingyfan · « **Reply #2 on:** February 01, 2003, 11:58:00 PM »

Im going to go without the partition for now, if i can, because i fully intend to get either a second HD or just a bigger one. In any case this setup will temporary. how can i remove the partition when installing OSX?
Thanks.

hingyfan · « **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2003, 02:49:00 PM »

On my way into work i decided to keep the partitions. How do i start anew in the OSX partition, erasing the mess in there now?
Thanks!

kbeartx · « **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2003, 11:33:00 PM »

Well, I admit to being a tad confused - I'm not really clear about what you have now and where you want to get to - but if you are no longer planning to change the partition scheme that is currently on your HD (remember that any change to partitioning requires a re-format and a consequent loss of all data, so make a choice that you can live with), you can simply boot to an OS seedie and do anything you please to one or more partitions on the HD (clean-up whatever mess you got, or not) because when booted to a seedie, anything on the HD is 'fair game' for modification since it does not contain the active system folder.

hope this helps,

- kbeartx

RHPConsult · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2003, 12:24:00 AM »

Being as far from "guru" status as I am, perhaps my experience will be instructive.

After a couple of false starts, I settled on 3 partitions, preferring to keep several thousand "old" document files . . . and all newly created ones . . on a separate partition.

On the other two partitions are X and 9.2 (not Classic!). As I understand it, Classic is 9 Lite, as determined by X "selecting" it from an install of 9.2.2, wherever it is located.

Interestingly, most of my important older docs open just fine in Classic (together with my favorite wp app, WordPerfect) and do so quite seamlessly. Seldom, but sometimes I have to reboot in 9 to get something to function. Less frequently, however, than I had feared.

The key is to make the partitions large enough to "handle" their "responsibilities". X needs a lot of room. Your install of 9 will take a little more than what earlier "traditional" OSes did. Give both plenty of wiggle room. As much as you can.

So, back-up all your data files, wipe your drive, make 3 partitions of appropriate size, and enjoy.
Jaguar is a marvel.

FWIW my current X partition of 10MB contains only 3.2 MB of files/apps/etc, and the OS9 partition (also of 10MB) is only 1.08MB "occupied" That's after about 10-12 months of use. Plenty of wiggle room there.

Hope this is helpful.

MamaMoose · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2003, 01:45:00 AM »

I have three drives: (1) The original HD that came with my Mac; (2) a 130 GB IDE drive; and (3) an external i20 GB FireWire drive.

I nstalled OS 10.2.3 on (1) above. I installed on a partioned drive 2 above, OS 9.2.2 plus a bunch of partitions, e. g., Consulting, personal finances, Apps, Computation, etc. Then I directed OS X to go to OS 9.2.2 when I needed to go into classic.

I know that my approach is not cheap but was necessary to maintain my computer for my business (computational physics and electronics engineering) as well as pleasure.

MamaMoose

hingyfan · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2003, 02:47:00 AM »

Well i'm happy to say I am on OS 10.2.3, have OS 9.2.1 on a separate partition and it is recognized in Jag as Classic. Also I found my new QT Pro Key.
The tip to keep OS9 on a separate partition where it would still be picked up by X was a good one. That and knowing it had to be 9.2 made all the difference.
All i need now are about 10 lurking application discs and their passwords. Come out, come out, where ever you are.
Thanks.

hingyfan · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2003, 02:53:00 AM »

Oh, my concern about the reinstall was erasing the "monster," the half-9, half 10 partition i created. I wanted to get rid of that but keep the partitions. Pogue covers that by mentioning the erase and install option.
Thanks again.

RHPConsult · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2003, 12:24:00 PM »

Hingyfan:

I hope (above) you mean 9.2.2? If not, update.

And when you get Jag where you want it, don't forget to repair your permissions via Disk Utility. Anytime you do much of anything with X, repair permissions. It will do so for you, if you leave your Mac on 24/7, but right after any install, do it yourself.

Re: installing apps. Somewhere I read some good advice (since in the past with OS < 10 I always kept my applications on a separate partition). With X and 9.2.2, on separate partitions, let your Mac pick where it wants to place new apps. Don't fool with those defaults and things will work better downstream.

Somehow, it's smarter than we are!

Himrich · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2003, 12:36:00 PM »

Unless I am totally out in left field, this is how I thought it was suppose to be setup.

G3 Powerbook 20 GB drive

One partition (18.5 GB) with Jaguar 10.2.3 and a minimumly installed OS 9.2.2 used as the Classic platform.

One partion (1.5 GB) with a full version of OS 9.2.2 and some programs such as IEX, OEX and Norton Utilites to be used in a pinch even though I can't recall needing to boot into it since upgrading to Jaguar.

Am I all wet or is this the preferred method?

Himrich · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2003, 12:48:00 PM »

....and an addtional note. From my understanding, Classic is setup by choosing any OS 9 you have on any volume connected to your computer, be it another hard drive, partition or zip for that matter.

The only reason I have two OS 9s was a recommendation I got from Techsurvivors. The concept was to have a full functioning OS 9 on its own partition and a lean, mean, fast starting OS 9 on the OS X partition to be used as Classic.

I would love to know if there is a better way.

Bill · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2003, 04:39:00 PM »

What I have is one drive-120WD (main) that has three partitions.
One is for Xxx.Another for 9xx and the third is where most of my apps/programs are located for 9xx.
My thinking on picking up such a large drive back then was perhaps some day I'd get a digital camcorder which would use up most of the space.
Well as of yet no such camcorder.Still maybe though.

Partitioning a 120gb into three partitions took some thinking because .. what if .. down the road I still picked up a D-Cam? How would I make room or move whatevers over to where ever?
SO. Just in case I have an OS 9xx in the apps partition and one 'stuffed' in there also.
Ok though .. if it comes down to starting from scratch with that drive (initializing,zeroing,whatever),those extra 9xxs would go poof.
Along the same lines,what about Xxx also.?.

The drive which came with this 'puter' is a 80gber.Now it's my secondary (slave) drive.
I partitioned that into one large and a semi large for a spare Xxx.
With either OSX (although I never have tested the spare Xxx) I have classic pointed towards my OS 9 partition on the main drive.

Now if my future plans on a digital camcorder never materializes,I'm really,really thinking that a 120gb drive is WAY into the over kill mode.!. Fact is an 80 for both might of been a happy medium. OH btw I have a 80FW external also.Which was factored in on an D-Cam.

RHP mentioned making sure one has enough "wiggle room"?
Boy have I got that on my main drive!

Actually even my spare (slave) drive might be to much.
Even though I slap every thing under the sun in there for later-on-gator use.

Think it was CyberPet who mentioned she has a 160 or 180gb drive.
Holy Swedish Meatballs!!

hingyfan · « **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2003, 05:43:00 PM »

OK, i didnt see the 9.2.2 update but there is one of course.
DO i update the OS 9 partition and the OSX one. Exactly how do i update the OSX partition if that is what's called for.
Thanks.

RHPConsult · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2003, 12:07:00 AM »

Remember . . . classic is whatever X takes from 9.2.2 to "do what needs to be done" when it needs to do it.

If you have X on one partition and 9.2.2 on the other, just let Apple's update process deal with the 9.2.2 it finds on partition nr 2. You/it won't find "one" on partition 1, IF you've installed X and 9 properly.

Not to worry.

When this is all over and done with it will seem like a non-event.

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Author Topic: I\'ve created a monster (Read 6444 times)

MamaMoose