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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2007, 07:43:02 AM »
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So far, I have not been arrested but it doesn't matter if I am as I have my Monopoly Get Out OF Jail Free card!


And if that doesn't work, there's bail money in the box too. bump.gif
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2007, 07:58:25 AM »
About everyday for 2 weeks now these http://whocalled.us/lookup/8665773917 folks at Allied Interstate call my cellphone. The number has never been registered, none of our phone numbers are, but these guys are Pros. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/9...collection.html

Message has changed to now telling us about some debt owed as others have reported on. It's a scam from what I see, I don't owe anyone anything and the phone number has been in my name for years.

I like VoIP phones for their ability to block calls and hide caller ID numbers. If a cellphone company would use that technology I would be in line.

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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2007, 08:23:17 AM »
Question: if someone calls you from Skype or other such VOIP setups, what shows up in your conventional caller ID box?
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As far as the "police" benefit and newspaper and replacement windows calls are concerned - you can get your telephone unlisted - as something like 30-40% of Americans do - higher percentages on the West coast.  But being unlisted is not that simple:

http://familyinternet.about.com/cs/interne.../aaunlisted.htm

Telephone companies charge you anywhere from $1-5 a month to be unlisted, so you can see what your privacy is "worth."

It isn't worth the local $5 a month for us to be unlisted, but there are less expensive methods of accomplishing the same goal:


(1) We asked the telephone company that our address be blanked.  They do this for free.  So a name does show up in the telephone directory, but no linked address.  

Now it comes down to that name . . .


(2) We took out the telephone in the name of a family pet - not our first or last name.  D. Rover - D standing for "Dog" (not his real name).  

That way, the moment that a caller says "Hi, Mr. Rover, how are you doing today?" in that universal overly-familiar, friendly tone of voice they have - we instantly say "Please put us on your do not call list."

It is a reflex - no thought involved.

They say "fine" and we hang up.  This reduces call volumes pretty quickly.

All very business like - we don't waste any time getting angry over it.

Saves our time and anger and their time and whatever emotions a telephone rep might have.


(3) As soon as we got the phone, we got on the national do not call list - but it is still going through the thirty day period where they can call you.


(4) We are getting the calls with no one on the other end of the line perhaps twice a week.  I have read that it is something about marketers determining when you are home, but I do not see the logic in that.  I have also heard that it is a technique that burglars use to check if the coast is clear.  Alternatively, a sign that your significant other is having an affair.  

You pays your money and you takes your chooice.


(5) Caller ID: we have not gone the route of refusing all but known callers on caller ID as we have family members who use various Costco and Sam's Club and such long distance caling cards - often much more economical than standard long distance calling plans - they just plug the long numbers into their automatic dialers once and the calling is thenceforth pretty effortless.  $0.029 / minute beats the heck out of a typical $39.00 a month calling plan. We are heading that route, as well.

These cards do,however, tend to give weird IDs with a different area code from that of the person using the card.

Every other time that I consider not answering the telepone due to an unknown caller ID, it turns out to be a friend or relative on the phone using a discount calling card.


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Epaminondas

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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2007, 09:13:20 AM »
Don't worry about the "police" coming after you or the "fireman" not coming! Most of these calls are not made by police or firemen ( nor their friends and family ). They are made by contract 'services' who take their share of any donantions you might make.

I have tried being 'cute', angry, calm, deceitful, etc. with these calls. That is enough to cause me concern, that I would be tempted to find a 'solution' to something basically out of my control. It further reminds me of how closely I have allowed my life to be tied to 'technology' ( as old as this technology may be )! blush-anim-cl.gif

The bottom line is that when the phone rings, we have only two choices; stop what we are doing and see who it might be or simply not looking/answering and take the chance of missing a relative or friend. As soon as the phone rings, we are affected. We don't have to even see who/what it might be. We have had our 'space' invaded with the simple act of the ring; what the call is about is only secondary. If it is a 'blocked' or unwanted call, it only serves to elevate our feelings of 'invasion'. If it is a wanted call, we immediately forget any 'disturbance'. smile.gif

So far, none of the 'solutions' have proven complete, just as we still get SPAM. But, I suggest that we try to remember that giving in to the temptation to 'trick' the callers will eventually do more harm to us than to them. Thinking.gif And, eventually, it will only encourage them to find new ways to 'surprise' us! eek2.gif
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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2007, 09:15:51 AM »
When I call someone on SkypeOut, their caller ID shows all zeros.
Jane


Here is how we donate around here,,,,,,, when we give to our local police or fire departments, we just make the checks out to them directly, or buy things then donate them.  Either way.
We give when they need some new equipment, like for example, our neighbour is getting the oxygen masks that fit dogs and cats for our fire department.  And we are all going to purchase them directly thru donations and our checks, thus our fire department doesnt have to spend a minute of time or a cent on this project.  Our dog shelter and the volunteers(and friends like us)will do the whole thing.
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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2007, 09:22:01 AM »
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Question: if someone calls you from Skype or other such VOIP setups, what shows up in your conventional caller ID box?


Using VoicePulse you control what is viewed. Turn on/Off the ID. If off it will say <unknown caller><ID unavailable>

I can block any number or any area code. Not all VoIPs are the same, Vontage does not have as many options.
Basic http://www.voicepulse.com/features/basic/default.aspx

Advanced http://www.voicepulse.com/features/advanced/default.aspx

All this can be done from a web page, like your routers Control panels. There you can view your account, the calls in and out, time, numbers. There you can control any call notification, have any message recorded sent to you in a wav file in email. The features can also be controlled by the phone using preset coding *1,12,123,1234 whatever.

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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2007, 10:12:07 AM »
Unwanted calls are a real pain, but I have hardly any now that I have registered my number.

 wallbash.gif One call I can't get rid of - my number is one different from the local allergist - sometimes I get a call for her but usually they apologize and move on. I have had my number for so long that I don't want to change it for a few inconvenient calls a year.

 rofl.gif What I do when I get a telemarketing call is either say "Oh, I will have to call you back - what is your number?" or say, "hold on, I have someone at the door", and never come back. Needless to say, they hang up.

Either way, I am chuckling as I do it, and they NEVER call back.   wink.gif

Guess we are stuck with all of this, as well as spam, so we might as well make a game out of it - it eases the annoyance a bit.

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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2007, 11:10:10 AM »
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Guess we are stuck with all of this, as well as spam, so we might as well make a game out of it - it eases the annoyance a bit.

Actually, there is quite a bit you can do if the telemarketer does not abide strictly by the do-not-call laws and other applicable laws:

Cash In On The Battle Against Telemarketers

Denver Man Gets Check From Telemarketer

The $500 phone call

etc., etc., etc. . . .

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Note: as I understand the law, stating "Put me on your do not call list" should end everything with that particular company right then and there - legally, they should not call you again.  If they do call again after you specifically say "Put me on your do not call list", they are liable for a $500 fine for each incident.

Playing games with them, however - hanging up the phone, saying "I'm too busy right now", saying "Please go away," leaving them on hold, shouting in their ear, referring to the CIA - all that is meaningless. They can still legally call you again.

So do yourself a  favour and memorize the simple phrase "Put me on your do not call list."  Use the phrase liberally and any calls you get will diminish and probably eventually cease altogether - particulalry in combination with placing your name on the national do-not-call registry.


The national do-not-call registry is a wonderful thing, but it does not block political calls, charity calls (those "policeman fund" calls you are getting), and surveys.  That is where the "Please put me on your do-not call list" backup phrase comes in handy, even after registering for the national do-not-call list.


Regards,

Epaminondas
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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2007, 02:36:58 PM »
Nice try, E. Did you record your statement to them? If not, it could be very expensive collecting that $500. But I agree it's better than lying/yelling to/at them.

I have noticed that the National Republican somethingorother ahs let Mrs. Dolw go, they are now using another Senator, from Iowa, I think. I still report their messages as SPAM. wallbash.gif
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« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2007, 03:31:35 PM »
A friend of mine has both her handset and the base set ringers turned  off, but her volume for the answering machine turned up.  Anyone that really wants to talk to her, does so, to her machine, and when she hears someone "legit", she answers.  Having the machine answer saves her from telemarketers.  Also, if it is someone legit, there is a key for shortcutting the machine message that she shares.  Check your remote answering options for your machine for your specific shortcut.
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« Reply #25 on: March 06, 2007, 04:44:58 PM »
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Nice try, E. Did you record your statement to them? If not, it could be very expensive collecting that $500. But I agree it's better than lying/yelling to/at them.

I am not a litigious sort.  And I have not bothered to go after telemarketers, myself,  as I have not had a real problem with them.

Do-not-call Registry + "Please put me on your do-not-call list" for those who filter through the Registry has proven to be very effective.

Exception:

I did get a few political recordings during one election season that were pretty obnoxious.  But the politicians write the laws and exempt themselves in doing so.  Nothing I can do?  Not exactly . . .

I just make it a matter of principle to vote against those  who produce such recordings.

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As to small claims court - I have been there only once.  

No lawyer necessary.

The matter at issue?

A friend's sister stiffed me for $200.

She was down and out and, at her request, I helped her out with a brief loan backed by her personal check.

A pretty girl.  Beautiful smile.  

Smart as hell.

I liked her.

Her check bounced.

I gave both her and her brother, whom I had known for many years, over six months to make good.  

Bent over backwords, really.

Then mutual friends informed me that my friend and his sister were laughing at me behind my back for what a fool I was.  They were bragging that I would never get a cent of the money I was owed.  It was all a big joke.

It seemed a little - indiscreet - to me.

Such is the way that kindnesses are repaid.

Time for talking was over.

A stroll to small claims court with the bounced check in hand - an extraordinarily helpful clerk - a $20 payment - and a form to fill out -

The clerk even helped me fill it out.

Turns out that by local law, I was due three times the amount of the bounced check - $600 total - plus expenses - and the law was entirely on my side.

Plus she would be liable for court costs and collection costs, as well.

Who knew?

A certified letter and the laughter stopped.

I got my money back but I lost my friend.

So much for friendship.


Live and learn -

Epaminondas
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OT: And speaking of "Customer Service"...
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2007, 07:23:40 PM »
I've always been annoyed by aquaintences who use their answering machines to screen calls. Obviously, they either don't know about the shortcut thing, or have chosen not to share it with me - for some reason. dntknw.gif

I didn't know that either. I doubt if I can find the manual to our machine to see if it has that feature. I suppose I could find out on the intenet, but I doubt if I'll go to that length... Thanks for the tip anyway. smile.gif
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2007, 07:44:37 PM »
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I've always been annoyed by aquaintences who use their answering machines to screen calls. Obviously, they either don't know about the shortcut thing, or have chosen not to share it with me - for some reason.

They probably don't know.  Most people do NOT read the manual.  However, with her machine, it's the star key.
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2007, 11:43:40 PM »
I have two phone lines, one was left over from when I had dial-up. I kept it and now it is my very private line which only family knows and is not listed in the phone book.  I never asked the phone company not to list it, they just didn't. Family can call the number in an emergency and it will ring, therefore I can turn off the main line and let the answering machine on that one do its duty.

It's the only way I can get any sleep since my regular number is one of those that is a combination easily misdialed.
Can't tell you how many messages I get on my machine from people I don't know.

Always wondered about that woman who requested a taxi pick her up in front of the library at 3 PM.

..and the guy who got never got the call from his bank that his account was overdrawn

...and if Timothy ever got his return call to the Rahway State Prison

...and whether that person ever picked up the guitar that was fixed

...or if that couple ever called their broker to accept the offer on their house

...or if the UPS store found the woman who had the wrong address on a package that absolutely HAD to be in Florida by the next day...

Don't get me wrong, if they left a contact number I called and informed them of their mistake. But many did not so I was unable to deflect the consequences.

Hmm, there just might be a story connected with each of these missed calls. Might make an interesting plot line for a movie or TV series.

"Wrong Number"  How one person's life is changed due to fat fingers...

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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2007, 02:47:56 AM »
Our new phone number has apparently belonged to several folks prior to us. Most of them were dead beats. When we first moved in we received calls for:
  • Carol: who owed money to several credit card companies and dog-gone they wanted their money now and I'd better tell them where she was!
  • Janet: the daughter whose mom split on the family and dad moved them out in the middle of the night, apparently -- but Janet owed Cathy money for school books.
  • Frank: who apparently owes his ex-wife money - a lot of it.
  • Betty: another dead-beat who owes money to credit card companies. *sigh*
  • Tom: whose book was overdue at the library.
My favorite though ... were the calls for Mumsie from "It's me." ("Hi, Mumsie. It's me.") "It's me" always left long messages that ran until the machine stopped. Filled with heart warming news that made me want to meet "It's me" and Mumsie. I heard about the birthday gift Mumsie sent; listened to squeals of joy over "I found a job"; cried when she said, "We had our first fight"; and on and on it went. Every week for 3 months. Suddenly the calls stopped. It was sad, really.

Then one Sunday "It's me" called. I answered the phone and this voice squealed "Mumsie!!!!!!!!!". I stammered "I'm not Mumsie." "It's me" asked if I was Violet. I practically shouted into the phone ... "There's no one here by that name, but please don't hang up."

I then told "It's me" how she'd left all these wonderful messages, but her Mumsie wasn't at this number and how I felt really bad because she'd never left a return phone number, and I didn't know who Mumsie was ... and I was so sorry about it all.

"It's me" then giggled and said, "Oh you wouldn't have wanted to call me back. I'm in England."  jawdrop.gif  Seems she had moved over there when she got married, and thought she was calling her mom at Violet's home. Mom visits Violet for several months every year, but no one told "It's me" that Violet had a new phone number.

I looked up Violet's new phone number for her and I guess she's now chatting with her Mumsie, because she doesn't call here anymore.  tears.gif

The only other issue we have is our phones are junky and they de-register themselves without warning. Since we've already picked up, that means dead air to the caller. The last time this happened it was my aunt (who is elderly), and because she'd mucked up our mailing address and had mail returned and seems to muck up our email address on a reg. basis so that was also returned and then called and got dead air ... well, of course, Sneakers and I were dead. Sooooo ... she spent a week tracking down and calling the local phone company, various businesses and the sheriff to try to get them to "do something". She must not have made much sense because none of them would. I'd laugh, but I'm not sure it's funny.

We are on the "do not call" list and it works pretty darn good. In fact, the only real pest that calls is a pal of someone I know. Said pal thinks it's okay to call at 2am if he's feeling sad, or 10pm if he's lonely, or any old time to moan and complain - but always best at dinner time ... and we really need to get caller id. wink.gif
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