Cannot log in to certain websites

[iGuy]

I have three diffent websites that I visit often but am not able to log on.

Webpages come up fine but when I try to log in to an account it does nothing.

These website are banking, retirement, and payroll websites.

Advice needed,
Ryan

[iGuy]

Just solved my own problem.  I had Java scripts shut off.  Once I turned it back it the problem was fixed.

Thanks anyway,
Ryan

[tacit]

QUOTE(iGuy @ Mar 2 2007, 12:02 AM) [snapback]120592[/snapback]

I have three diffent websites that I visit often but am not able to log on.

Webpages come up fine but when I try to log in to an account it does nothing.

These website are banking, retirement, and payroll websites.

Advice needed,
Ryan

Most often, this indicates corrupt cookies. Clear your browser's cookies and try again.

If the problem persists, you may be using a browser that does not work with those sites. Often, institutions such as banks employ lazy, untalented IT people who lack the skills and knowledge to write Web sites that adhere to accepted Web programming standards, and as a result, the Web sites work with some browsers but not with others.

[Gregg]

QUOTE(tacit @ Mar 1 2007, 07:39 PM) [snapback]120601[/snapback]

Often, institutions such as banks employ lazy, untalented IT people who lack the skills and knowledge to write Web sites that adhere to accepted Web programming standards, and as a result, the Web sites work with some browsers but not with others.

That applies to other, "non-institutional" web sites too, in my experience. I've run into several sites that used to work with my old OS and browser, but no longer do. Following suggestions, I checked all kinds of settings, but never found one that was set "incorrectly", so I gave up on those sites. I'm hoping they'll be there one day when I upgrade my computer and software - one day... :dream:

[D76]

QUOTE(Gregg @ Mar 2 2007, 08:36 AM) [snapback]120631[/snapback]

I've run into several sites that used to work with my old OS and browser, but no longer do. Following suggestions, I checked all kinds of settings, but never found one that was set "incorrectly", so I gave up on those sites.

Do you still have a link to such a site that that doesn't need a password and that you would be comfortable posting, not a bank? I'd like to try one on my machine.

[Xairbusdriver]

Not sure what browser you're using, iGuy, but the 'solution' of enabling/turning javascripts ON is a dangerous one. BTW, Java and javascript are two entirely different animals, programming methods, few sites use Java, but too many use javascript, IMOH. At any rate, if you use FF, you can enable only the javascripts you need, on a per-site basis and keep them off for other sites. You'll need to install an 'add-on' ( often referred to as 'extensions' ) called "NoScript". javascripts can do many things, some good, some bad, some you just don't know about. I see no advantage to letting Google, etc. know I'm visiting a particular site but that is one thing a script can do. NoScript automatically blocks those scripts. But if some site 'developer' uses javascript to activate the navigation, I will turn those scripts on ( at least temporarily ) so I can use the site. NoScript does that and will remember the settings for that site, should I decide to make it permanent.

Another problem many face with 'institutional' sites ( and even personal sites ) is that they use proprietary MS tags that will work only in IE and then only on a PC. Many claim this is for security reasons, a claim difficult to associate with using any MS product. Sometimes you can use the browsers identity 'spoofing' capabilities to get some 'broken' sites that use 'browser sniffing' javascripts ( another reason they are sometimes needed ), but if they use the MS tags, it really won't help, even if you can view the pages.

[Gregg]

QUOTE(D76 @ Mar 2 2007, 08:37 AM) [snapback]120638[/snapback]

Do you still have a link to such a site that that doesn't need a password and that you would be comfortable posting, not a bank? I'd like to try one on my machine.

Sure... Mapquest.
I cannot get the maps to appear.
Never could get to the bottom of it.

[D76]

The map at the bottom won't show up in Mozilla or iCab. A notice at the top of the page tells me to turn on the cookes and JavaScript, but I had. The site recognizes the cookies, otherwise the page wouldn't work at all, so one notice covers both. iCab is much slower than Mozilla, though, and none of the pictures on the page show up. With Mozilla, everything shows up except the map at the bottom.

The missing map in both browsers means OS 9's JavaScript is too old, I guess.

I killed iCab's cache, history and everything else,  changed the setting so it would spoof IE 6 for Windows, then quit the browser, restarted it and returned to mapquest. It didn't make any difference. So I have to use Mozilla to find my way to the store on the next block.

By the way, for years Mozilla has been cutting a chunk off the left side of pages at some sites, such as Ars Technica's. I found out how to cure it, if you're having the same problem.

I changed the monitor setting from 832 X 624 to 1024 X 768. I also found out that because Mozilla was running when I did that, it made no difference. I had to quit the browser and restart it. It's such a simple cure for a problem I thought was unsolvable because of old code. Amazing.

I increased the minimum type size to compensate for the smaller image (I'm far-sighted, so small type is even smaller, one reason why I always had it set at 832 X 624 — computing with trifocals.)

[Xairbusdriver]

If it makes you feel any better, nothing I could do in FF 2+ would make the large map display anything. I enabled six different javascripts individually and nothing seemed to help. I had requested a map of my local town by inserting just the name and state. I could get a small map by requesting something specific, like all banks. I also got a small map by entering my street address. Strangely, my 'house' was numbered 4 in a list somethings and I was told that there were 150 entries with that address

I haven't visited Mapquest in years. Gave up on their lousy accuracy. I found Google Maps much better. YMMV.

BTW, when you spoof your browser type, I don't think it needs to be stopped and restarted. When I restart FF, it always reverts back to its own self, even if I had been spoofing another one.

As for clipping off an edge of a page, that is probably pretty common with a screen resolution of only 832 pixels. I am quite often frustrated by 'web designers' who assume that everyone not only has 1,000 pixels of screen width but they would actually make their browser windows that wide! I think this comes from the fact that most PC users seem to not know they don't have to use the whole screen for every application.

[D76]

QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 2 2007, 03:58 PM) [snapback]120696[/snapback]

If it makes you feel any better, nothing I could do in FF 2+ would make the large map display anything.

It doesn't work on mine, either, so it isn't the fault of Mozilla in 9, which is good to know. Maybe Mapquest is stuck in the era of Active X.

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BTW, when you spoof your browser type, I don't think it needs to be stopped and restarted. When I restart FF, it always reverts back to its own self, even if I had been spoofing another one.

Old restart habits resurrect with System 9, and I hardly ever use iCab, so I don't know its foibles, other than its overall clunkiness. It probably doesn't need a restart, though.

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As for clipping off an edge of a page, that is probably pretty common with a screen resolution of only 832 pixels.

Bad as iCab is, it could handle all the screen resolutions, which was why I kept it around. But Lordy, it's slow. I'm glad I don't have to use it now even for the occasional site when I'm running 9, required for Quark because I'm sane enough not to climb back onto that outfit's money machine. I have little enough need for Quark, anyway. (Quark is almost unusable running in X under Classic.)

On my G4 machine, Mozilla 1.3.1 runs at light speed. Everything is instant. But JavaScript remains a problem, even on TS.

Posting here with 1.3.1 means jumping through a few hoops. I can't paste, for instance, and I can't click on Reply then log in. I have to log in first, click on Reply, then reload the page or I can't type. Quotes don't work because Reply To doesn't work. I can't post with iCab under any circumstances. So I rejoin the 21st century and boot into X.

[krissel]

Gee, mapquest works fine for me. Haven't been there in a long time since I usually use Google but I was very impressed to see that the images (aerial) were 2007 and very recent (obviously). Only problem was they didn't go down to the closest view. But otherwise they were very clear and precise.

[Gregg]

QUOTE(krissel @ Mar 5 2007, 11:38 AM) [snapback]120962[/snapback]

Gee, mapquest works fine for me.

Um, the problems manifest themselves when using OS9.... and in my case, Mozilla.

[tacit]

QUOTE(Gregg @ Mar 5 2007, 06:42 PM) [snapback]120977[/snapback]

Um, the problems manifest themselves when using OS9.... and in my case, Mozilla.

Not surprising. No current OS 9 Web browser I am aware of supports modern Web standards. As time goes on, fewer and fewer Web sites will work in OS 9 browsers, as OS 9 browsers are not being updated to work with new standards any more.

Time to stick a fork in OS 9; it's done.

[Gregg]

I'm well aware of how the scam works. I dumped my 68030 processor because of this very issue. I could no longer do much of anything online.

At this point, with Mozilla, it's merely a nuisance that I cannot get maps to show up at home. If I need to see one, I do it at the office.

It's slightly more inconvenient that I cannot check my "commercial use" web based e-mail account at home any more. But, that's still not a big deal, since I don't use it that much.

Yeah, OS9 is done - no more support, no upgrades, yada yada. But, I'm keeping my fork in the kitchen for now. If my personal e-mail, or TS no longer works in Mozilla, then that's a problem.