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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2007, 02:28:36 AM »
Frances - this BBC News report on the story.

Towards the end....
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The decision has also been attacked by UK web broadcasters.

Felix Miller, co-founder of Last.fm, said: "It's ludicrous that America, a country that portrays itself as an internet innovator, may be the first to shut down its web radio."

"Pricing internet radio off the air in the US is clearly a retrograde step and very bad news for anyone who cares about the way music is listened to now. We'd like to think that the UK would take a less short-sighted view."

I'd like to think so too....
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2007, 06:29:50 AM »
Well, I sincerely hope you are right for us UK bods.

Being on an island in the middle of nowhere, it is really nice to have more choice than the radio offering (ie 6 channels - 5 of which are BBC).  I was thrilled when I worked out how to listen to Classic FM and the other classical ones in Europe and the US.  I was really impressed with the high quality and the choice of music.  The world opened up again for me.  Now it will close and I will sit all alone on my island with only the BBC for company and a local radio station with one record (Now that is what I call a load of crap Volume 234).

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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2007, 07:14:04 AM »
Jane - This will effect Pandora; at least I got an email from them about it!   sad.gif
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2007, 07:15:21 PM »
"There is a bill just introduced in Congress that will save Internet radio from the devastating royalty fee increases that will put thousands of Internet webcasters out of business on May 15th.  Please call your Representative in Congress as soon as possible and urge them to co-sponsor the Internet Radio Equality Act, introduced by Representatives Jay Inslee (D-WA) and Donald Manzullo (R-IL), and save Internet radio."

http://www3.capwiz.com/saveinternetradio/c...516&type=TA

http://savenetradio.org/
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2007, 07:37:27 PM »
Oh, sad, Pandora is nice.
Ive not been listening to much lately, outdoor stuff keeping us busy.
I will go to their site now, and then check for their email, I have a different address I used to sign up with them, I forget to look for theirs.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2007, 12:08:43 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2007, 08:11:25 AM »
New Legislation May Save Internet Radio

http://www.ipodobserver.com/story/31259
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2007, 08:55:55 AM »
Thanks Kelly; I'll contact my Congress people.  I think it's time for a reevaluation of a lot of this stuff.  It's funny that record companies used to pay to get things played!  There are some things they should pay me to listen to!   ohmy.gif
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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2007, 09:10:35 AM »
Folks, invest in a stamp. Your members of Congress still pay more attention to snail mail than they do to email. Email, especially of the form-letter variety, still doesn't carry much weight with a lot of them and often is only seen by the staffers. Email can be spoofed and these guys probably get bucketloads of spam, since their email addresses are so public.

Email petitions are even more useless - there is no way to confirm the signatories and people can sign multiple times using different email addresses.

There's no getting around the fact that there is something more serious about your intent/level of commitment when you make the effort to send a real piece of paper  with your signature.

Phone calls are also good - though you'll usually end up talking to a staffer, not the elected member. Again - it's the effort and commitment involved that makes the impact.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2007, 11:27:46 AM »
Thanks for the links, kelly. I'll compose and send another set of letters.

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Folks, invest in a stamp. Your members of Congress still pay more attention to snail mail than they do to email.

Yup. Followed up my last fax with letters.

One thing to remember, if you do email -- include your full name, address (including house and mail) and phone number. You have a better chance of your email getting attention. Learned that from my former congresswoman.

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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2007, 11:57:41 PM »
I actually called my congress "person", and told her that as a music educator, that I thought the internet radio was a valuable tool, because I can introduce the kids to a lot of artists that they couldn't afford to go buy, and might not like, but should be aware of.  (I guess that ending a sentence with a prepositon would eliminate me from being an English teacher. . .)  Of course, the secretary told me that she'd let her know of my interest in the bill.  I'm NOT holding my breath!

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2007, 04:06:06 AM »
This is the sound of the other shoe dropping:

The RIAA, under it's subsidiary SoundExchange, has now claimed the authority to collect royalties for musician's who don't have agreements with it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/24/141326/870

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The strategy of playing only non-RIAA songs won't work though because the RIAA has secured the right to collect royalties on all songs regardless of who controls the copyright. RIAA operates under the assumption that they will collect the royalties for the "sound recording copyright" and that the artists who own their own copyright will go to SoundExchange to collect at a later date.


I'm "really" not a lawyer by any stretch but couldn't this be racketeering as defined by the RICO Act?  So we should also suggest to the Department of Justice that they might have to investigate the RIAA to see if it violates the RICO Act with this gobbledegook.  I wonder how Chris, or anyone else who is a musician. feels about this?  Hey, Chris . . .
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2007, 04:44:15 PM »
QUOTE(gunug @ Apr 29 2007, 05:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is the sound of the other shoe dropping:

The RIAA, under it's subsidiary SoundExchange, has now claimed the authority to collect royalties for musician's who don't have agreements with it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/4/24/141326/870
I'm "really" not a lawyer by any stretch but couldn't this be racketeering as defined by the RICO Act?  So we should also suggest to the Department of Justice that they might have to investigate the RIAA to see if it violates the RICO Act with this gobbledegook.  I wonder how Chris, or anyone else who is a musician. feels about this?  Hey, Chris . . .


Since you asked:

Well, it's basically bull...., that's what I think about it. Internet radio gives us "Indies" all a chance to be heard on stations we would not even have access to otherwise. Of all the "on-air" radio stations in Vermont, I can be heard only on one commercial station, and that would only be on their Sunday morning show from 6-10 A.M. All the other stations are either college radio, or Public radio, of which I might be played bewteen 2-5 P.M. on Sundays only.

That the RIAA has claimed the authority to collect royalties for musicians who don't have agreements with it is ludicrous, and lunacy, in my view. And making internet radio pay a higher rate than broadcast? What's up with that? I really don't think it's either legal or ethical for the RIAA to do either of those things. First of all, where's the royalty money going to go? Into a pool to be claimed later by an artist at a later date? How many hoops do you think someone like me would have to go through to collect a couple of bucks? And in many cases, I'm sure the fee imposed to register would be in excess of the royalty collected. This smacks of some very sticky, tricky lobbying from somewhere deep in the bowels of the music industry. It reeks and stinks, literally and figuratively. And why would an indie artist want to pay a fee to the RIAA to collect what would probably be less money for the royalties for many artists would actually earn???

Perhaps what's going on here is even more insidious, in that some folks in the "industry" would seem trying to put Internet Radio out of business. It's an obscene grab for a piece of the royalty pie that is presently split up BMI, ASCAP, etc. There  must be some interesting closed-door collaborating going on behind  the scenes here with the commercial radio industry... not like anything like that has ever happened before eek2.gif  

When I record someone's song, I pay a licensing fee if my CD is commercially duplicated. So, I already paid the royalty to the songwriter. But, if I have also copyrighted my arrangement of my performance of that tune, then I can get paid fractions of a penny for each of the times it might actually get played.

Radio stations pay a yearly set fee for royalties. If your song isn't copyrighted through BMI, ASAP, etc., you don't get any money. The royalties, after administration fees, get distributed through a percentage pool determined by the actual # of times a song gets played. But really, the only advantage to being registered is if you are actually being distributed nationally and played regularly on  some form of commercial or internet radio.

My last check from a song I own and is registered through BMI was for 13 cents.  

I am going to frame it, eventually.

So that's what I think, gunug! And I think you may have a point... let's add Conspiracy to those charges as well! nono.gif

I'm definitely calling my congressman and sending a letter.

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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2007, 07:51:38 AM »
Thanks Chris! I talked to my sister as well about this.  She doesn't earn royalties because they've never done any official recordings; being more of a bar band.  I'm sure there are musicians with reasons for being on the other side of this; but I feel they wouldn't be if they took the long view!
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« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2007, 08:01:04 PM »
Internet Radio Given Short Reprieve

http://www.ipodobserver.com/story/31318
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