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Another step before making a major OS update
« on: August 01, 2007, 02:40:24 PM »
Two unrelated events conspired to point out anther reason to not be too hasty jumping on the OS Update band wagon. First, another person was confuse about what the "check mark" does in the list of Login Items. That was easy to clear up ( again ). While confirming my understanding of this point, I noticed there were two iterations of "GrowlMenu" in the list. One showed a path starting with the hard drive and ending in my user Preferences. The other simply started the path at "MyUserName" and ended in the same exact place. Something isn't right about that. Thinking.gif I deleted the one with the longer path...We'll see what happens. I'm not particularly fond of Grow notifications, anyway...

Then, on visiting MFI, I see they are suggesting checking the Login Items list before making an OS/Security update. Some of these items, normally third-party ones can prevent the normal restart after one of those major updates. It usually takes several attempts before one realizes the problem may be in the Login Items and gets the offending item out of there.

Of course, one never really knows when an item will cause a problem, but it's probably a good idea to either remove any suspect items before doing the install and replace them one at a time after a successful restart. I think it is certainly a good idea to check the Login Items list at least weekly, especially if one likes to install apps to judge their usefulness. Once you give any required approval in an installation process, you may never know that something was installed in the list unless you actually look to see. Same for dumping apps, most don't come with deinstallers, you simply drag their folder into the trash. However, they may have put a file in the Login Items that also needs to be removed.

Just another minor step to perform regularly that may make your next OS update smoother. smile.gif
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2007, 02:52:20 PM »
Jim, I think that's part of the rationale behind the practice of installing OS updaters & upgrades from either a different volume or while in Safe Boot mode, e.g., third party apps would not (or at least, should not) load on the target volume.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2007, 02:58:13 PM »
I agree but you might be surprised at how few even know how to create a partition or have one. And probably fewer know how to do a Safe Boot. Both those methods will make that first restart safer. I was just surprised to see that I had stuff in the Login Items list that I didn't know about! OTOH, I do install lots of stuff and then delete it when it doesn't do anything useful, so the 'checking' may make more sense for someone like me than the regular user ( like my wife! ) who never downloads/installs anything! smile.gif Nor does she do the OS updates, of course!
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2007, 12:47:58 AM »
ABD,

Thanks for the hint. Since OS 10.5 is "just around the corner", it would behoove everyone to take your advice.

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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2007, 04:08:22 PM »
Hi-

Where, exactly, is the list of Login Items?

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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2007, 07:54:35 PM »
Not sure about Panther but it's in the "Accounts Pref Panel" in Tiger. There is a tab in the window called "Login Items", strangely enough. smile.gif
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2007, 08:59:09 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Aug 2 2007, 08:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not sure about Panther but it's in the "Accounts Pref Panel" in Tiger. There is a tab in the window called "Login Items", strangely enough. smile.gif


Hmm...this is a difference between Panther and Tiger. There is no list of Login Items. I guess it's not something to worry about, then... Thinking.gif

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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2007, 10:50:13 PM »
Francine you have Login Options to click-on
then there's Password-Picture- Security & Startup Items

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« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2007, 12:53:40 AM »
My PowerBook has had startup problems following any System updates the last two or three updates. My desktop computer has not had such problems.

So, I took a look at the login items on both computers. The PowerBook had one item not included on the desktop... Microsoft Mouse. Everything I could find having to do with the Microsoft Mouse went into the trash. I didn't need it anyway because I now use the Apple Mighty Mouse.

Maybe the next update will work better next time. whistling.gif
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« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2007, 06:06:21 AM »
FWIW, TinkerTool System (Shareware, € 7.00) can automatically verify the integrity of Login Items.

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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2007, 09:04:07 AM »
That new version of TT can also rearrange the list. That could also be a hint as to what might be causing the problem; if you see any indication of which ones are loading/opening/running ( un-check the "Hide" box on everything ) you may be able to tell where things stop working/crash.
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