Font puzzle

[RHPConsult]

Now that I have followed the highly encouraging advice(s) of my TeeEss pals (RNKIII, JackW and ABD, in particular) only to discover that executing "modern" OCR ain't rocket science, so that timorous seniors may, in fact, negotiate it successfully, I am now embarking on turning 500+ typewritten pages of text and photos into editable MarinerWrite text, for the Secretary of Comon Sense and Family Historian residing in my abode.

Query: She REALLY likes a version of Bookman font that she's been using for years w/WordPerfect (presently residing in OS9 on her G5). I want to be sure that the new document is in the precise Bookman she prefers. I've seen several "versions" called Bookman that do not quite meet The Standard.

Sugestions? Instructions?

What do I look for in the description of a(ny) Bookman font, to determine if it might be match her visual expectations, and especially one which, upon installation, will fully cohabit with 10.4.10?

[Bruce_F]

Bookman comes in three flavors, that I know of. Bookman Old Style, Adobe Bookman and ITC Bookman. I have a hunch that the Bookman used in Word Perfect might be something "made up" by Microsoft.

If the book is to be published by a big publishing firm, they will direct you to the Bookman they prefer to use. Most likely, it will be one of the versions I mentioned above.

[RHPConsult]

QUOTE(Bruce_F @ Aug 18 2007, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have a hunch that the Bookman used in Word Perfect might be something "made up" by Microsoft.

Now, THAT would be a surprise, given the decades long competition between them. But, whatdoIknow? Don't answer that!

Thanks for the "species" differentiation.

One last query: Would you estimate that each are equally compatible with OS 10.4.10?

[Xairbusdriver]

What kind of font file ( TrueType, Type 1, etc. ) is in use by your wife on that OS9 System?
Can you get any info on its maker/source?
Don't seem to have Bookman anywhere around here...
FontBook might be able to enable OS X to use the OS 9 version. I assume she has both on her Mac? It should, at least, show the OS 9 fonts installed.

BTW, I deleted the duplicate thread. At the time there were no answers in it. I promise!

[Bruce_F]

QUOTE(RHPConsult @ Aug 18 2007, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

QUOTE(Bruce_F @ Aug 18 2007, 07:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I have a hunch that the Bookman used in Word Perfect might be something "made up" by Microsoft.

Now, THAT would be a surprise, given the decades long competition between them. But, whatdoIknow? Don't answer that!

Thanks for the "species" differentiation.

One last query: Would you estimate that each are equally compatible with OS 10.4.10?

I have two of the three versions... Bookman Oldstyle and ITC Bookman. Both are Post Script fonts and both are residing on my computer running OS 10.4.10. Either one of those versions would be compatible with any print house even though I haven't updated my fonts since around 1998.

[pendragon]

Dick,

I. FWIW, this is what my 10.4.10 Font Book application has to say:

PostScript name    BookmanOldStyle-Bold
Full name   Bookman Old Style Bold
Family   Bookman Old Style
Style   Bold
Kind   TrueType
Language   English
Version   Version 2.35
Location   /Users/harveyru/Library/Fonts/Bookman Old Style
Unique name   Bookman Old Style Bold : 1991
Manufacturer   Monotype Typography, Inc.
Designer   Ong Chong Wah
Copyright   Digitized data copyright The Monotype Corporation 1991-1995. All rights reserved. Bookman Old Style™ is a trademark    of The Monotype Corporation which may be registered in certain jurisdictions.
Trademark   Bookman Old Style™ is a trademark of The Monotype Corporation which may be registered in certain jurisdictions.
Description   The origins of Bookman Old Style lie in the typeface called Oldstyle Antique, designed by A C Phemister circa 1858 for the Miller and Richard foundry in Edinburgh, Scotland. Many American foundries made versions of this type which eventually became known as Bookman. Monotype Bookman Old Style roman is based on earlier Lanston Monotype and ATF models. The italic has been re drawn following the style of the Oldstyle Antique italics of Miller and Richard. Although called 'Old Style', the near vertical stress of the face puts it into the transitional category. A legible and robust text face.

License   NOTIFICATION OF LICENSE AGREEMENT
This typeface is the property of Monotype Typography and its use by you is covered under the terms of a license agreement. You have obtained this typeface software either directly from Monotype or together with software distributed by one of Monotype’s licensees.

This software is a valuable asset of Monotype. Unless you have entered into a specific license agreement granting you additional rights, your use of this software is limited to your workstation for your own publishing use. You may not copy or distribute this software.

If you have any question concerning your rights you should review the license agreement you received with the software or contact Monotype for a copy of the license agreement.

Monotype can be contacted at:

USA 847-718-0400  UK 44(0)1737 765959

For license terms and usage rights, please visit our web site at www.monotype.com/html/type/license.html

II. Re compatibility with 10.4.10:

Regular, Italic, Bold, & Bold Italic all work as designed in both Text Edit and Word 2004, Intel 24" iMac, OS 10.4.10.

I do not even have OS 9 installed.

How well it works with other text programs, I have no first hand knowledge. But as it works quite well with Word and Text Edit in my Tiger, I suppose it will work equally well with Mariner Write.

I am not sure what program originally placed Bookman on my OS, but indeed I have had no font problems.

HTH

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[dboh]

I've got a couple of different versions of Bookman, and they're postscript. They've worked without problem in both 9 and 10.3.9.

Each version will have its particular variations, so you should have your wife look at them. I would bet most type houses would have their own version of that font; you can view type samples online.

If you're just printing something from your computer for her, why not try installing the font from her computer?

[RHPConsult]

The Bookman Old Style font on the iMacIntel is v 2.35 - no date, TrueType (copyright Monotype Corporation)

On the G5 (Tiger) it's v 2.0, May 17, 1996, also TrueType from Monotype.

Where things get interesting is when one opens WordPerfect in Classic and in its roster of fonts two Bookman suitcases are revealed: One is just plain-Jane Bookman, while the other is identified as Bookman Old Style (w/4 subordinate (?) styles listed separately. All are copyright by Monotype Corporation. The former is not shown in Font Book . . . nada, thus no GetInfo is available

I have printed out test paragraphs on both Macs in all available versions of Bookman and his/her cousins. They DO appear different! Huh?

Of course, the style she likes is the "plain-Jane" version in WordPerfect (its GetInfo is not available, as noted previously).

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I know, I know . . . just get her to prefer another one. Oh sure!

I have tried to persuade her even to abandon WordPerfect for MarinerWrite as the world has moved on over the past 10-15 years since WordPerfect abandoned Mac-sters. Nope! (It has to be some kind of back-handed compliment to either/both WordPerfect 3.5e and Apple that it works at all. It was, arguably, the greatest word processing application ever. I've even considered moving my OCR project from my Intel to her G5, but I am sure she won't relinquish it for such a period as I estimate it's going to take me to accomplish it.

Oh yes, there is one not especially artfully concealed agenda in all this. IF I present her with 500 pages editable of one of the major (typewritten) pieces of her literary work (other than her Harper and Row volume, published in 1972) from the past 40 or so years – all neartlly done-up in MarinerWrite – I do think she'll be persuaded. She KNOWS how to use it, she just PREFERS the fits and starts of her olde classic friend, WordPerfect. So, I really want the MarinerWrite "product" to look as close what she  L-I-K-E-S, typographically, as is humanly possible (by the male of the species, that is).

Note to puzzled, Younger, Unmarried Readers: You'll come to understand all of this someday, just not now

Query to More Mature, Married Readers: All ideas re: "The Effective Principles of Persuasion" will be gratefully received.

[RHPConsult]

QUOTE(dboh @ Aug 18 2007, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

If you're just printing something from your computer for her, why not try installing the font from her computer?

 I have been reluctant to drag the "plain-Jane" version (from whence cometh, I know not) from her Classic to my Classic-Free Intel . . . remembering all the stories of problems that can arise when blemished fonts are moved among Macs.

I seem to recall some kind of Font Cleaner that was handed around a few years ago when we all moved beyond OS 7, I believe it was.

Anyone know where something similar might be found today?

[sandbox]

A good read if your interested.

Safe web fonts


Bookman

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Bookman, also called Bookman Old Style. Not shipped with WinXP. Shipped with MS Office 2000. http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/fonts.html


Font Samples http://web.mit.edu/jmorzins/www/res_fontsamp.htm

[dboh]

Does WordPerfect not handle fonts like other applications? Is the font in her System folder? Why not just do a Get Info on that?

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Most major fonts come in multiple versions. I've seen variations both major and minor. OldStyle likely means it's designed to look like an old lead typface.

[Xairbusdriver]

Except for MS, no text/word processors "handle" fonts, they just use whatever the System/user has installed. They use 'hooks' to access the fonts available, at least on a Mac, who knows what/how a Windows app might do! If the OS 9 font is TrueType or Postscript ( Type 1 ), there should be no problem transferring them to any OS X system. Put them in the users Font folder and use Font Book to verify their status. Enable it and go for it.

BTW, whenever possible, always use the built-in styles of any font rather than the "Bold, Italic, etc." offered by the System. Those 'styles' created by the System are simply distorted versions of the original font. The built-in ones usually have better kerning, letter shapes, etc.

The only font types that I know are incompatible with X are the old "Multiple-Masters" versions that Adobe tried to push some years ago. Of course, screen-only versions of any font will print horribly but I don't imagine any of those are still around!

The font in use should have no bearing on whether someone prefers one word/text processor or another, IMHO. The difference comes in the pleasant features and ease of use. And the availability of an expert user?

[RHPConsult]

QUOTE(dboh @ Aug 18 2007, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Is the font in her System folder? Why not just do a Get Info on that?

Never have looked before today, but there seems to be no OS 9 System Folder, so finding any Font Folder therein is beyond me.  

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Thanks ABD, that's the "reassurance" I was looking for.  

I'll re-port later.

[sandbox]

Dick, if you have any MS software, like word, it should be on the cd. I have it on a MS Office CD and in my Font Book. I also had it in Font Rescue on OS 9.

[RHPConsult]

Not the "key" one, SB.

I think I first got it (by purchase) years ago. It's the only font from those days that Lil has kept through several iterations of new Macs.

Her "favorite" is NOT just a copy of what came w/OS X. I do have Office for OSX, but I'm pretty sure it didn't come from there, because it wasn't ever installed on Lil's Mac, only mine!