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« on: October 12, 2007, 07:49:09 PM »
Looks like Apple is, and rightly so, quite proud of one particular member of their board.



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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2007, 02:08:55 PM »
Ok, sure. But, I have to admit that my feeble brain doesn't get it. The name of the prize... the "cause" it was awarded for... Sorry; it doesn't compute.
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 02:53:43 PM »
"Universal Good"

Originally created with a focus on 'peaceful endeavors', over time the area(s) for which the prize(s) are awarded have been widened to cover a broader range of fields.


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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2007, 08:37:36 PM »
Not to change the subject, but while there I noticed the link to the 'new' iPhone ads.

There are three of people who supposedly are off the street giving their view of how it works for them.

Has anyone seen any of these ads on TV?  I haven't.  huh.gif


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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2007, 08:49:06 PM »
QUOTE(krissel @ Oct 13 2007, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Not to change the subject, but while there I noticed the link to the 'new' iPhone ads.

There are three of people who supposedly are off the street giving their view of how it works for them.

Has anyone seen any of these ads on TV?  I haven't.  huh.gif


I've seen the one on the left--Doug "Mankind". Haven't seen the others as of yet.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2007, 10:00:03 PM »
I caught one in the middle. This lad was telling how it saved his girlfriend the embarrassment of not remembering her bosses name by using the web via the iPhone to look up a web site the boss had.

I'm not sure it was supposed to be humorous but the whole idea seemed rather far-fetched! Maybe I'm just being full of sour-grapes! I can't seem to get my old Moto phone to break! I've dropped it into my fish pond at least twice, the front LCD is completely blank, etc. But all the scratches do make it easier to grip in a mud fight...
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2007, 11:34:49 PM »
Guess I asked too soon.

Just saw the third (4 in 1) ad on SNL.    smile.gif


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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2007, 11:06:34 PM »
Al Gore = Fervor + Junk Science, popular though it is (and don't go quoting 20,000 scientists "agree") until you've read what some actual climate scientists (about 2000 of them in the good ole USA) have to say.
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2007, 05:21:06 AM »
denile is not a river in Egypt,

American Scientists

there's a hole in the bucket

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2007, 10:36:13 AM »
What "denial". Just teasing out the fervor from the Gordian Knot so artfully tied by Mr. Gore.

Prof. William Gray, now retired, was for years the nation's leader Hurricane Predictor (in all the papers). He was kind enough to send me a 40+ page paper of real-climate science – a thousand years ago, I was a faculty member @ Colorado State University – when I requested his appraisal of Inconvenient Truth, and its manifold super-heated claims and assertions.

The abstract of that critiquei s as follows . . .
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PERSONAL COMMENTS ON AL GORE’S MOVIE AND BOOK TITLED AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH
By William M. Gray
Professor Emeritus, Colorado State University
Fort Collins, Colorado

ABSTRACT

I differ with former Senator/Vice-President Al Gore’s views that the recent causes of global temperature rise are due to human-induced fossil fuel increases.  I believe that the global warming that has occurred over the last 30 years (~ 0.4oC) and the last 100 years (approximately 0.7oC) is mostly of natural origin.  This warming is mostly due to natural alterations of the global ocean circulation and global rates of rainfall which are not directly related to fossil fuel emissions.  The increases in atmospheric CO2 and methane that we have seen in the last 30 years (approximately a 15 percent increase) are not by themselves capable of producing the global temperature increases that have occurred over this period.  The many General Circulation Model (GCM) simulations of CO2 doubling that have been run and which predict human-induced global warming amounts of as much as 2-5oC are flawed.  These models project human-induced global warming amounts that are 5-10 times greater than those that will likely occur.  The Gore scenario is based on a vastly oversimplified and incorrect view of a direct relationship between atmospheric CO2 and global temperature.

Those cool words are more representative of real science than the hyperpassionate mix of true-believer-journalism + quasi-religious-politics which is what one, apparently needs these days, to impress the Norwegian Parliament.

Should anyone be interested in Professor Gray's full critique, I have it in pdf. PM me. It ain't "exciting"; it's just real science, rather than the junque variety.
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2007, 12:59:38 PM »
Do you really want to get into this argument? wink.gif

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archi...04/gray-on-agw/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealClimate

This is an interesting subject - though I very much doubt that either side here will convince the other of anything. Considering that none of us are climate scientists, it's basically down to a case of who you choose to believe; the majority view or the minority view - and apparently, how big you believe that majority or minority to be. tongue.gif

So carry on arguing if you must - but keep it out of the political realm (which may prove difficult) and keep it polite. We all know the rules.

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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2007, 02:02:08 PM »

While I understand your reluctance to accept that 6 billion people could have any effect on this planet, many reports prove otherwise. Al Gore deserves his award, he's put a lot of time and effort into it. He created something besides a Turd Blossom.

Sorry, I may not hold Dr. Gray in such reverence as some, but I've been playing with Hurricanes since 1985 and I can't remember one year that his crystal ball was correct, not one. He predicts and then changes his predictions and get close…but no cigar. Not that it would make a difference to someone sitting at 5000 ft. above sea level, but for my money I'd just a soon bet on the accuracy of reading sea turtle migrations to predict hurricane activity as I would on Gray.

If you will only accept US scientists try Jim Hanson, another controversial figure.
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/

To remove the retired and controversial I'll settle on Bob  Correll http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_W._Corell

Put all these opinions aside and just do your own snooping. I see coral reefs turning white, I see glacier that both you and I have walked on….gone. We may be the only ones here that know the difference between a glaciers and snowfield, by just walking on them.

We had fires here just as your experiencing them on the left coast now, earlier this year. This is happening around the globe. In 1993 when I was working at White Sands you could watch the desert expanding right in front of your eyes. I saw the same activity in the Sonora desert and the Mojave.

Take a drive up Mt. Shasta.

There is no way to separate what is naturally occurring from what is man made, but they both exist, and both need to dealt with. We need to manage both and we need to do it now, not argue who or what is responsible. Even those who don't have two brain cells to rub together would realize that auto emissions can kill you. They can comprehend that darker colors are hotter than lighter or reflective colors. They can feel the cooler temperatures in the forest, on the grass compared to on the road. This isn't rocket science, this is common sense. We do have an affect on the climate and I don't need a weatherman in Colorado to tell me which way the winds blowing.

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Advance of Whitney Glacier

In 2002, scientists made the first detailed survey of Mount Shasta's glaciers in 50 years. They found that seven of the glaciers have grown over the period 1951-2002, with the Hotlum and Wintun Glaciers nearly doubling, the Bolam Glacier increasing by half, and the Whitney and Konwakiton Glaciers growing by a third.[5] The study concluded that though there has been a two to three degree Celsius temperature rise in the region, there has also been a corresponding increase in the amount of snowfall. Increased temperatures have tapped Pacific Ocean moisture, leading to snowfalls that supply the accumulation zone of the glacier with 40 percent more snowfall than is melted in the ablation zone. Over the past 50 years, the glacier has actually expanded 30 percent, which is the opposite of what is being observed in most areas of the world. Researchers have also stated that if the global warming forecast for the upcoming next 100 years are accurate, the increased snowfall will not be enough to offset the increased melting, and the glacier is then likely to retreat.[6][7] Note that both these references make the claim that the Whitney Glacier is now the only glacier in the world known to be larger than it was in 1890, but this is erroneous. For example, several glaciers in Alaska, most notably the Hubbard Glacier, are larger now than in 1890.[8] However, Hubbard Glacier, along with a few other notable glaciers whose termini are at sea level, is what is known as a "calving glacier". "Glaciologists often point out that glaciers are sensitive indicators of climate. This paradigm should not be applied to calving glaciers. During most of the calving glacier cycle, the slow advances and relatively rapid retreats are not very sensitive to climate. For example, the calving glaciers that are currently growing and advancing in the face of global warming, were retreating throughout the little ice age. Calving glaciers become sensitive to climate only late in the advancing phase, when the mass flux out of the accumulation area approaches the mass lost by melting in the ablation area and losses due to calving can no longer be replaced. No reasonable change in climate will change this imbalance and stop the advances of these few glaciers".[9]



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Summary

There is near unanimous scientific consensus that greenhouse gas emissions generated by human activity will change Earth's climate. The recent (globally averaged) warming by 0·5°C is partly attributable to such anthropogenic emissions. Climate change will affect human health in many ways—mostly adversely. Here, we summarise the epidemiological evidence of how climate variations and trends affect various health outcomes. We assess the little evidence there is that recent global warming has already affected some health outcomes. We review the published estimates of future health effects of climate change over coming decades. Research so far has mostly focused on thermal stress, extreme weather events, and infectious diseases, with some attention to estimates of future regional food yields and hunger prevalence. An emerging broader approach addresses a wider spectrum of health risks due to the social, demographic, and economic disruptions of climate change. Evidence and anticipation of adverse health effects will strengthen the case for pre-emptive policies, and will also guide priorities for planned adaptive strategies.
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http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/a...xt#bibliography

I see the health effects on the elderly and the death tolls are rising, but if a report will be more convincing… http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2007/2007-10-23-10.asp

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September 2007 is Eighth Warmest on Record for Contiguous United States
Drought Worsens Across Southeast and Tennessee Valley

Temperatures in September 2007 were the eighth warmest on record, hot enough to break 1,000 daily high records across the United States, according to scientists at NOAA's National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C.

The heat also helped spread the worsening drought to almost half of the contiguous U.S., with conditions across the Southeast, Mid-Atlantic and Tennessee Valley hardest hit. The global surface temperature was the fifth warmest on record for September, and the extent of Arctic Sea ice reached its lowest amount in September since satellite measurements began in 1979, shattering the previous record low set in 2005.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/resear.../sep/sep07.html

The resent ability for oil companies to venture into the arctic ought to be a clue.
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/
http://nsidc.org


American scientists are all onboard, accept maybe those bought by Exxon/Mobile. wink.gif


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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2007, 03:27:44 PM »
Endeavoring to steer quite clear of the language of the barnyard (or is it the docks?) I would simply note that these ringing sentences do not support your naturalistic observation(s) that the world is approaching the end of days and man is responsible
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There is near unanimous scientific consensus that greenhouse gas emissions generated by human activity will change Earth's climate. The recent (globally averaged) warming by 0·5°C is partly attributable to such anthropogenic emissions.


Might I suggest a good text on multivariate analysis. "Will change" and "Partly attributable" do not a conclusive argument make.

And, please examine a text on the philosophy of science, especially any reference to the validity of such characterizations as . . . near unanimous scientific consensus. . . especially when the consensus is politicized "science". Also see: DDT

I'm sorry you do not respect Professor Gray. Many of his academic and professional colleagues do, have, and will. The very fact that his views have excited further criticism demonstrates that real "science" is never settled, it is subject to continuing debate. That's why is called "science" and not doctrine.

And, oh yes, perhaps the northern hemisphere might actually benefit (after a number of centuries) were more of Canada (not to say, Siberia) to became arable. Isn't it curious that the Antarctic ice cap is growing, while its counterpart – a few thousand miles up the road – has been shrinking . . . recently.
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2007, 05:48:39 PM »
The question is do you think that 6 billion people and their needs can have any impact on the climate? If yes then there is no argument, if no, you would need to calculate the body temperature of 98.6 minus the average global temperature to start with, is there a difference? Is there a need to warm or cool the atmosphere to meet the comfort zones of the population? Does the method of heating or cooling add elements to the atmosphere that would contribute to any change in the average global temperature? Does the life styles of the population, in consumption and transportation add anything that would affect the average global temp? Does adding or removing or changing the surface affect the temp? Does burning elements or pollution darkening the color of the water or atmosphere alter the climate in any way? Do any chemicals used evaporate into the protective atmospheric layer? Does any byproduct of human existence harm the natural ecosystem?

For me the answer to all these questions is yes and thus Dr. Gray's opinion that the change in global climate is not a byproduct of human activity is a stretch. Tree Ring and Ice Core samples expose the history of this planets weather systems and the content of its atmosphere for thousands of years. There is no time in history that this planet has had such high levels of greenhouse gases elevated in such a short time.

To the point of Gray's contention with the world is that he refuses to accept the viability of computer modeling. He insists that CO2 does not mix with water vapor and hold heat in the atmosphere. His arguments on modeling made some sense 15 years ago, but the models used today are spot on. High atmospheric testing and satellite imaging has proven the fact that CO2 and water vapor do in fact mix at high altitudes and hold heat. Clouds are hard to predict still, because they reflect light as well as hold heat.

Dr. Gray has only offered sour grapes since the mid nineties when his funding dried up and no one would pay him for his opinion. He was well paid during the Bush 1 administration but after Hurricane Andrew his opinion lost it's glow.

So now at close to 80 years old he rattles on with less and less support as time goes by. His own students and colleagues think he lost it. Like MIT professor Richard Lindzen or Jerry Meehl of the National Center for Atmospheric Research.

So what we have in my view is NASA, NOAA, AMS, NCAR, and most universities in the US and everyone outside the US disagreeing with Gray, and I should take his position seriously? I think not. He had his day, he did a good job in the 50's through the 80's but his model never included what we see today.

i think I'll add this http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archi...04/gray-on-agw/

by the way Dick, Gray's 2006 paper was so absurd that it didn't even warrant a peer review.
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2007, 07:07:59 PM »
Silence does not imply assent, but rather fatigue.

Gray disputes the model, not the modeling process.

6 billion temps of 98.6 deg F. . . . .Good heavens, SB, have you ever flown over, sailed across, the Pacific? Are you actually asserting that human body temps will trump the effects of an ocean that covers 1/3 of the earth to a mean depth of I know not how many 1000s of feet! jawdrop.gif