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« on: March 23, 2008, 01:11:16 PM »
Yesterday I decided to install Leopard on one of my external drives while I simultaneously mowed my lawn for the first time in 2008...

To my utter (or is it udder?) amazement it turned out to be one of the easiest major OS upgrades I have experienced.  Total reconfiguration time spent as of this writing: maybe ten minutes.  My short list of things that I had to do after the upgrade:

1.  Reinstall Kensington Mouseworks driver.
2.  Renew the iSeek serial number.
3.  Reinstall FruitMenu/APE. It's working just fine...
4.  Reinstall the Macally ICEkey keyboard driver.

I had to add my printers but after that I did a test and was happy to confirm that Apple is still supporting my 13 year old LaserWriter Select 360.  I may get my $1350 investment back after-all...

I have been running off the external drive since the upgrade and the main things I have noticed are:

1.  Safari is noticeably faster; even my VPN connection seems much quicker.  When I tested it last night it was downloading at 2mbps and uploading at 440kbps; I have never experienced those speeds in the past. Previously connecting through the VPN server would slow things down to less than 1mbps when downloading. (I have a 5mbps cable connection.) Granted, I don't know if this has something to do with Leopard, Safari or improvements on the VPN server end of things...

2.  Restarts are a LOT longer.

Now I am wondering whether I can avoid upgrading my iMac's drive by using SuperDuper! to dupe the external drive on the iMac.  Opinions??? I will likely test things for another day or two but at this point there doesn't seem to be a reason to stick with Tiger... I still need to hook-up my Nikon Coolscan and see if it plays nice with Leopard but that is the only major piece of hardware that is likely to have problem with the new OS.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2008, 01:13:27 PM by Mayo »

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« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2008, 03:00:01 PM »
QUOTE(Mayo @ Mar 23 2008, 01:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yesterday I decided to install Leopard on one of my external drives


thumbup.gif What took you so long? wink.gif
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2008, 03:11:42 PM »
The last thing I was waiting for was FruitMenu/APE compatibility; that happened about a week ago. And 10.5.2 seems to have fixed many of the problems people were experiencing.

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« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2008, 09:03:45 PM »
QUOTE(Gregg @ Mar 23 2008, 03:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
thumbup.gif What took you so long? wink.gif


You didn't notice who asked???
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2008, 09:23:23 PM »
I did and it gave me a good laugh!   laugh.gif

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« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2008, 11:34:19 PM »
If you wipe the iMac drive or dupe to a clean partition you can do so. But don't expect to dupe Leopard over a Tiger install. I tried doing that with a Tiger over Panther install and it didn't work. I had to erase the partition, dupe the OS and then use Migration Assistant to bring back the other stuff from a backup.



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« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 01:00:13 AM »
krissel,

Are you sure you can't install (dupe) Leopard ver a Tiger partition? I was planning to do that and use Archive and install. I infer from Mayo's post that he did indeed install Leopard over Tiger and used Archive and INstall.

Any thoughts?

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« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2008, 03:55:23 AM »
Using the OS install (CD/DVD) to do an Archive and Install would be fine. What I believe he meant was to use SuperDuper to clone a Leopard install over a Tiger one without erasing the latter. That doesn't work, at least it didn't for me with Tiger over Panther.


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« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2008, 06:16:56 AM »
Ooooh you are brave - I haven't dared to make the leap yet (and I haven't got a copy!!!).

I am full of admiration.  Are you pleased with the results?  Is it very different?

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« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2008, 07:05:01 AM »
I successfully duped Leopard to a Tiger volume without issue (though I went from internal to external). Still, in retrospect I recommend erasing the target volume before the copy. It takes a bit longer than the otherwise Smart Update would, but I think you'll have a cleaner iMac.

FWIW, I recommend you run DW v4.1 on the source volume before the copy. Note: Using any other version of DW may cause problems. Also, rebooting the source drive in Safe Boot mode & Repairing Permissions is (IMNHO) well worth the time. In short, you'll want the source drive as clean as you can get it before you run SD!

Then, after you have a new backup of Leopard, begin adding (incrementally) any Apple and other third party updaters. That way, should an updater hose your system, you'll still be able to revert to a verified Leopard.

And then then, you may care to resolve font duplicates, remove foreign languages, and rerun DW.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2008, 07:05:24 AM by pendragon »
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2008, 01:45:53 PM »
My plan is to do an erase and restore from the external volume.  Dave Nanian at Shirt Pocket Software told me that it should work just fine...

Frances, I don't have much to add to my previous observations... I don't notice much that is visually different because I use third-party applications and haxies to rid myself of most of the OS X Desktop interface.  So while the Finder Menu Bar is semi-transparent the Dock is nicely hidden on the right-side of my Desktop.  It only makes an appearance when I accidentally mouse too far to the right... My DragThing Basic Dock acted a little differently after the upgrade and I couldn't figure out which preference would get it back to the way it was, so I elected to just make it disappear altogether when I'm not using it.

I am ambling through Pogue's Leopard Missing Manual and so far I have done most of my reading in the iChat chapter... I have already created some customized "away" messages:

1.  Out To Lunch (Literally)

2.  Out To Lunch (Figuratively)

3.  Listening To The Dead...

4. Too Far Gone To Chat...

For me the most exciting new iChat feature is screen sharing, where you can not only see the other person's Desktop, you can actually perform operations on the other computer! (The other person can do the same on your Mac.)  If you do tech support for your family and friends or professionally this one feature is worth the cost to upgrade to Leopard.  I cannot tell you how many hours I have spent trying to communicate with someone over the telephone who had a problem and wasn't able to clearly describe what they were doing/had done because they didn't know basic Mac terminology or how to do basic tasks on their Mac...

If the other person has a video camera and a broadband connection and is running Leopard I can now not only see what they are doing wrong, I can show the person how to do something. In the Bad Old Days this kind of capability required purchasing relatively expensive software that had to be installed on both Macs for it to work. I cannot tell from the book whether screen sharing has any limitations so I will have to find that out for myself. But what I do know gets me Very Excited.  eusa_dance.gif

It is now possible to have "group" video chats with up to a total of four people (I think that I read that right...) which might be fun to do... The level of features that you can access in iChat depends on your processor (CPU) and the data transfer speeds possible with your Internet connection. (Uploading speed is more important than downloading because the upload speed is often limited by ISPs; if you want additional upload speed you typically need to Pay More Money.) To find out what a particular Mac is capable of doing, bring iChat to the front and go to Video/Connection Doctor. Click the "Show" button and select "Capabilities." In typical Apple fashion a list will appear with check marks next to what you can accomplish on that Mac via iChat.  Tres Cool!

That's it at this point... I need to do some more meandering through the Missing Manual.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2008, 01:59:03 PM by Mayo »

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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2008, 11:51:25 PM »
Just an update... After running Leopard off an external drive for two weeks I went ahead and used SuperDuper! to erase and then copy the Leopard installation onto the iMac internal drive. I then reconfigured my second external drive while keeping a bootable copy of 10.4.11 when I need to use my film scanner.

Everything is running just fine... And it's nice to know that I can use SD! to help make a major upgrade go smoother.

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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 07:29:34 PM »
QUOTE(Mayo @ Apr 5 2008, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Everything is running just fine...


Whadaya tryin ta do, jinx it???? wink.gif
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2008, 12:43:31 PM »
I knocked on wood before posting my previous comments...

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2008, 01:04:01 PM »
QUOTE(Mayo @ Apr 7 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I knocked on wood before posting my previous comments...

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