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Offline jepinto

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« on: February 07, 2003, 06:29:00 AM »
In case you are wondering where I've been the last two and 1/2 weeks            

I'm trying to decide which is more effective, putting thumbnails on a page, linking to separate pages, or putting a link to one page with pics.

No longer being on dial up but aware of the limitations, I wonder if the one page would be too slow.

Can you compare   Thumbnails  to  Link to picture page

Do NOT be afraid to be blunt (Hi Bill!), I want these pages to look good and be as accessible as possible.

TIA
 
 [ 02-07-2003, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: jepinto ]
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2003, 08:20:00 AM »
Jennie,

I didn't spend much time at either page because of time restraints, but I did get my "first look" impression. That means a lot to you, the designer, as to how someone coming to the page for the first time takes in information.

I choose the page with thumbnails. I have no idea how it loads on a 56k connection, but it loads just fine for me on cable.

If your pictures and thumbnails are optimized to the full extent, without suffering the ill effects of compression, you should be alright with the picture heavy page.

The reason I go for the more graphic style is because if I'm cruising the site for homes to purchase, pictures will get my full attention before descriptive text will.

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2003, 08:32:00 AM »
I agree with Bill. If I didn't know where to look to find the more pictures link, I would have possibly not found it. ON contrast, the thumbnails stand out, and many people recognise that clicking on small images usually loads a larger one.

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2003, 08:39:00 AM »
Hi Jennie,

We've got about 9 inches of snow today, so the last thing I wanted to see were these pictures!         Anyway, FWIW, I agree with Bruce. If you can add it, it might not be a bad idea to put a "click on picture to enlarge" label on there somewhere--but if not, I'd still go with the thumbnail option.

Listen, if the price is open to negotiation, I've got about $42.23 saved up in a jar--will that get me a tour?
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2003, 10:24:00 AM »
Hi Jennie. Didn't time it, but it probably took 10 seconds for the link page.  

Maybe 30 seconds for the Thumbnails.

That's tolerable for us Dial Uppers I think.
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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2003, 10:35:00 AM »
Jennie,
Maybe I am doing something wrong...but I found the "link to pictures" faster and much easier to navigate.

BTW...I would not pay $330,000 for that...I saw NO MAC in the pic...showing the computer!..hehe..LOL!
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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2003, 10:36:00 AM »
Seems to me that if they can afford the house, they can afford high speed internet.
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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2003, 03:42:00 PM »
Thanks all.

Rob Come on down!  Tours are free, but there's another place we can spend $42.23!

Please, if any toheres have input.....
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2003, 04:22:00 PM »
Hi Jennie.
I'm a picture guy. Like Bruce F and GM. If you see a pic (thumbnail) right off, well that usually catches my attention more than a link.

As long as the thumbnail is small eoungh in Ks, kind of doubt if a split second or two would make a difference compared to a link.



If you have a whole page full of thumbnail pics compared to a bunch of links,which do you think would catch the viewers eye.?.

The Philly guy does bring up a point on "YO! Click the little pic to see a bigger puppy" . <gr>
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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2003, 04:42:00 PM »
They both opened fast & I'm on a dial-up. The Link to Pictures opened faster by several seconds, which surprised me.

The leading pictures on the Link to Picture page are so attractive that if I were a potential buyer, I'd be drawn to keep on opening the links to see more.

....and...gosh, seeing those sure make me realize how much I still miss living in the sub-tropics after all those years in Miami. Where we are now, in the Florida Panhandle; the flora & fauna are more Alabama than Florida.

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2003, 04:13:00 AM »
I like it both ways (pardon the expression).  

Both sites are interesting and load fast for me.
I predict both would be equally successful, but as long as there aren't too may photos on the link page, I think I prefer it. Not as much work for the viewer as clicking on the thumbnails.

.....AND Just as soon as I unload this bottomless financial pit of a house in the 5 below zero midwest, I want the one on stilts.     No shoveling. No mowing. Just fishin' and lookin'.

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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2003, 05:24:00 AM »
Today is
 
but I'll use the suggestions tomorrow!

Thank you.

And Daffy-Come on down!  You can share my palm tree, anytime.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2003, 05:26:00 AM »
Snuff-The second bedroom would make a great studio.  No pics, can't get the angle of the sun right
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2003, 12:19:00 PM »
Hi Jennie - latecomer here.... FYI, IE 5.1.6 on iMac with 56k dial-up...  6pm Saturday in UK. Thumbnails took a long time loading (getting on for a minute) until I realised last jpeg had stuck at 31 of 37kb and hit refresh button. Link was very quick - about five seconds, if that! I counted along with the Mac clock divider to get seconds, so it's fairly accurate (my watch is in for repair - it's only 37 years old and needs fixing already      )
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2003, 04:05:00 PM »
OK, I'm an even later visitor to your site!     Looks great to me, either one. They both have the main pictures there to give you an idea about the general property.

But I was very surprised to see that your thumbnails were jpeg's!     Have you tried gif's? They are much smaller files. Pictures as small as "thumbnails" aren't meant to covey all the subtle shades in a picture and even jpag's at no compression (if there is such an animal!) still wouldn't, just not enough pixels there! So most people (IMHO) just use a reduced size gif of the full sized jpeg. Most good graphics programs have a batch method of creating the gif files out of a bunch of jpegs (and even naming them for you - I add "TN_" to the beginning of all mine). Looks like all of yours are the same width anyway, that helps in the process.

As for labelling the thumbnails so people will know what they are; don't assume that anybody knows anything! At least use the "title=" attribute to say "Click to see a larger image." Another way is to put a border around them with some text stating the same message. You can do that easily with CSS but since you insist on using tables, you can do it there also!

Just create a gif out of the thumbnails you have and compare the file sizes. That's what controls the speed of a page loading.

On our church site, I tend to use as few jpeg images as possible on most pages. Instead I have links to pages specifically for images from pages specifically for thumbnails. It takes one more click of the mouse, but no one has to get stuck in a slow loading image page unless they really want to. But that's just the way I do it, there are many others, probably even better!        

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