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My G5 may be terminal...
« on: November 07, 2008, 08:36:33 PM »
Today, every time I did anything - and even sometimes when I didn't, my G5's fans would rev like crazy and the CPU use would skyrocket. Odd, methinks. I shut down a whole bunch of apps - no help. It wasn't just one app either - it was whatever I was using. And I also heard it revving away all by itself a couple of times when I wasn't even in the room.

Ah...a restart should fix it! So, I shut down and restarted and left the room while it went through the process, to come back to a small jet landing in my office. And no video. This isn't good - restart again, using power button. It chimes....and then I wait. And wait. Nothing, nada, zip. Brief HD noises, but I do mean brief. Black Screen of Death.

Hmmm....

In the following two hours, I reset the PMU (several times), tried to reset the NVRAM, pulled all the RAM and then put each pair in and restarted (4X, since there are 8 sticks), disconnected all peripherals except for the monitor, took out all installed PCI cards...and still nothing. I didn't take out the video card, though I did have a good look at it, and it seemed well seated. Maybe I should have removed it and put it back, but given the lack of HD startup activity after the chime and the strange fan behavior, I decided to skip swapping out the video card with the new one I have waiting for my son's birthday. I even took out the PRAM battery and tested that with a voltmeter - it was fine. If the G5 was left for more than 5 minutes upon restarting, it slowly revved the fans to jet engine level. Every time. Tried booting every which way too - safe mode, single user etc., (except in FW target disk mode - never thought of that) - even opened the optical drive with a paperclip to see if I could boot off a CD. Nope.

Poking around online more or less confirmed my worst fears. It may well be a logic board failure. Because of the fan issue (and no, it's not running hot from what I can tell) I'm somewhat doubtful that it's just a video problem either. If it's a thermostat/sensing problem, then why no video? sad.gif It's not comforting to see the statistics for the dual 2.5GHz here either: http://www.macintouch.com/graphics/pmg5_components.png

Pretty much the same symptoms as reported here: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...77�

There seem to be a lot of unhappy G5 owners out there with logic board failures at around 3-4 years. I haven't even read that whole thread - it runs to something like 16 pages!

Should know by Monday afternoon. Running on my MBP in the mean time - and pulled the main drive from the G5 before dropping it off. (Has a cloned backup drive in there now).

I really, really wasn't planning on buying a new Mac Pro just yet...and given the rumors/speculation and time span since the last Mac Pro update in January last year, I might be better to wait a couple of months and limp along with the external drive and the MBP. Not a prospect I particularly relish - the internal drive on the MBP is nowhere near big enough for all my files. tongue.gif
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2008, 08:52:20 PM »
You definitely have my sympathies.

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2008, 09:11:13 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Nov 7 2008, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Today, every time I did anything - and even sometimes when I didn't, my G5's fans would rev like crazy and the CPU use would skyrocket. Odd, methinks. I shut down a whole bunch of apps - no help. It wasn't just one app either - it was whatever I was using. And I also heard it revving away all by itself a couple of times when I wasn't even in the room.

Paddy; Those are the exact symptoms My Imac G5 displayed  before apple replaced the logic board 2 times and the Powersupply 3 times under its extended warantee.  After they finally swapped them simultaneously the Imac ran for over 2 years.

As you may recall I just went thru a dieing  scenario   again. I wont bore you with the details but after almost 2 weeks of agony I managed to get all the data and apps transferred to a borrowed G4 laptop. After much trial and error testing I finally came to the conclusion the problem is in fact the logic board once again. (400-500 bucks replacement)

I have had 11 different Macs since 1986 and this is the first one I will have to relegate to the surplus parts/or junk heap.  We are still trying to decide what and when to replace it with.

 Good luck

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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2008, 10:47:14 PM »
I have 35-40 G5 towers in the school district and to my knowledge none of them have ever had a problem other than a bad hard drive.  I can't say that about the G5 iMAC's and I just sent two more in for logic board transplants: one with strange and different video problems and the other with locking up after 3 minutes of operation when booted up anyway you could imagine even in target mode!  They're still in extended warranty until December so I'm going to see what can be discovered about others in the 65 or so we have that are acting out!  Good luck Paddy!
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 02:55:05 AM »
Sorry to hear that, Paddy  sad.gif


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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2008, 04:36:55 AM »
You may want to upgrade to a G3, mine is still running strong......  whistling.gif
seriously, can you salvage it or is the cost prohibitive?

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2008, 09:05:50 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2008, 09:29:28 AM »
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I too am sad to hear about your G5 Paddy.

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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2008, 11:26:31 AM »
If it's the logic board it's about $1000 to replace I think - certainly not worth it on a machine that is worth only slightly more than that. It seems to be more expensive here than in the US where there are a couple of places that do it for around $650.

It's not an easy replacement either:

http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/in...showtopic=38754

Of course, I can keep my fingers crossed and hope that if it IS a dead logic board, that the cause is a coolant leak, not that I actually saw any leaks...but there might be something going on that I couldn't see (yet). Apple apparently has either been repairing (at no cost) or replacing the leaky G5s with new MacPros! Needless to say, I'd be quite happy if I got a new Mac Pro. tongue.gif We shall see.

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/systems/G5_coolant_leaks.html
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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2008, 02:07:22 PM »
I have found in the PC world that sometimes "similar" problems can be the processor being loose in its socket.  Lenovo still pays us $35 for reseating a processor on the units still in warranty.  I suppose it's possible in this case as well and it might be worth trying as a last resort if you are going to junk it anyway.  Yes this would be practically as hard as replacing the logic board but it wouldn't cost anything but time.  Sometimes this sort of thing happens through vibration and a less than perfect seating of the processor in the socket to begin with (engineering or material flaw).
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2008, 02:35:43 PM »
I'm assuming that Carbon Computing will check that sort of thing when they do the diagnostics, though I've never heard of a G5 having a loose processor. smile.gif
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2008, 04:28:45 PM »
Even if you don't have a loose CPU, there may be a cat loose in the house! I heard of one guy who had a burned out set top box because the cat lay up there too much and kept the vents blocked. dntknw.gif eek2.gif Here's hoping that Carbon finds just a bit of that in the wrong place and vacuums it away with glorious results! goodluck.gif
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2008, 05:56:33 PM »
Weeellllll....no cats to blame here!!!!

IT HAD A LEAK. And due to the legal agreement I just received from Apple, I can't tell you anything more. Suffice to say that (1) I'm very happy and (2)my profile info will change in oh, a week or 10 days. whistling.gif

Methinks you can guess the rest.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2008, 06:09:17 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Nov 10 2008, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Weeellllll....no cats to blame here!!!!

IT HAD A LEAK. .....

Great news. Keeps my faith in the ole boys at Apple.   Have fun with the new toy.

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2008, 07:41:51 PM »
oohhh, I hate you!  rolleyes.gif

Congrats, Paddy! Can't wait to hear about the new toy! whistling.gif

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