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« on: January 21, 2009, 06:19:33 PM »
This is disturbing:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...8849583#8849583

And why are they doing this???
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2009, 06:57:49 PM »
To echo the comment of one person at the link: This is disturbing...

I would like to add that running the iWork '09 30-day trial is a bit of a bother if you already have iWork '08 installed.  '09 Pages "hijacks" the opening of documents previously created in Pages '08, and if you save the documents they will only be accessible by Pages '09. After the trial period ends, you can open and read the '09 docs, but they cannot be edited.

To avoid problems I now have to select a Pages doc and use the "Open With..." option or specify that all Pages docs are to be opened using Pages '08.
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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2009, 08:04:21 PM »
LittleSnitchgets installed as soon as I get home 2nyt!

The "high-jacking" may not be too bad aslong as the formats aren't changed. But I agree it's irritating and possibly a slimy attempt to 'encourage' a sale?
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2009, 09:49:36 PM »
I was curious and went and installed LittleSnitch.

The first thing that showed up was an alert that MacJournal wanted to connect to "homepage.mac.com on TCP port 80 (http)." Why in the world would MacJournal want to connect? I denied. I'm a bit irked. What info were they sending?

The next alert was that Firefox wanted to connect to "safebrowsing.clients.google.com on TCP port 80 (http)." Any idea why? I temporarily denied.

Other than that, everything seemed normal. We'll see how this goes.

Do have one question ... by family plan/household ... does that cover our laptop? Even if we are using it away from home?

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« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2009, 09:29:28 AM »
QUOTE(kimmer @ Jan 21 2009, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was curious and went and installed LittleSnitch.

The first thing that showed up was an alert that MacJournal wanted to connect to "homepage.mac.com on TCP port 80 (http)." Why in the world would MacJournal want to connect? I denied. I'm a bit irked. What info were they sending?

The next alert was that Firefox wanted to connect to "safebrowsing.clients.google.com on TCP port 80 (http)." Any idea why? I temporarily denied.

Other than that, everything seemed normal. We'll see how this goes.

Do have one question ... by family plan/household ... does that cover our laptop? Even if we are using it away from home?


Kimmer,

MacJournal is probably connecting to find out if there is an update. You should check the prefs and see in there is a √ for update box. A lot of programs do that if you don't uncheck their box.

Regarding doubleclick.net. They set a cookie and keep track of sites visited for advertising purposes for the sponsors.

I set up Little Snictch to deny TCP connections to:
fls.doubleclick.net
i.cmpnet.com
pclick.yahoo.com
suggestqueries.google.com
www.paypal.com
ytming.com

amungst others.

- Jack

P.S. Little Snitch can open up your eyes to net traffic you are unaware of.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2009, 12:19:14 PM »
QUOTE(Jack W @ Jan 22 2009, 07:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kimmer,

MacJournal is probably connecting to find out if there is an update. You should check the prefs and see in there is a √ for update box. A lot of programs do that if you don't uncheck their box.

That's likely what it was, and I've unchecked it. Thanks!
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« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2009, 01:06:46 PM »
ALL OF THIS is news to me (OK OK you've read that before!)

But, really, a lot of this is gobbledegook to me, except what I interpret is an invasion of privacy.

Is this correct:

There's a default setting in Pages '09 (which I'm about to buy) which contacts some outside party/agency about which I know nothing to transmit some kind of data about my use of Pages? Or my iMac, generally.

Totally w/o my knowledge, even though having read this I can turn-it off?

Whatever Suit at Apple made such a decision (on "my behalf"!!!!!), and the decision itself (if I have this correctly) should be identified and slammed in the forums. Outrageous.

Very sincerely yours

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« Last Edit: January 22, 2009, 01:07:59 PM by RHPConsult »
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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2009, 02:41:53 PM »
RHP, I'm as confused as you ... but I think you are correct (and would to hear that we are both understanding all this wrong). wink.gif

I've been watching the LittleSnitch window today and was amazed that after I launched Safari, while it was idle and not at any web page ... it was contacting Google, doubleclick, and edgesuite (no idea what this is). Now if I'm loading a web page, I can see the browser doing things ... but sitting idle?

I also noticed that when I launch FF it keeps going to "safebrowsing.clients.google.com on TCP port 80 (http)." and I'd still like to know what this is.
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 03:19:51 PM »
Kim, Firefox is checking in with the Google Safe Browsing server.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2009, 03:20:12 PM by Mayo »
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« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2009, 04:02:15 PM »
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after I launched Safari, while it was idle and not at any web page ... it was contacting Google, doubleclick, and edgesuite (no idea what this is).
What do you have as a "home page?" I suspect it is not a local file but some web 'portal' somewhere. If so, it undoubtedly will have ads from at least one company, even if it's just the place that serves the page. In FF, one could use AdBlock and such to prevent seeing those adds and I thought, letting their server run a script to record your use. Safari is much less 'programmable' in things like that, although there are several apps you can add, now.

Back to the activity while it's "doing nothing." That's exactly what LS is there for. While the user will usually see no activity on the screen, many javascripts are busy collecting and reporting what's happening, what page you're viewing, how long it's been viewed (even if you are asleep!), etc. It's always been happening, you just won't know it if LS or something like it is installed (or you like using Terminal!).
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2009, 04:53:29 PM »
I've emailed Chris Breen at Macworld to see if they'll look into the Pages issue. Some dingdong on the Apple forums marked the thread as "answered" - when it most assuredly is NOT. (I posted in the thread that I thought it was ludicrous that someone had marked the thread as answered and got the response that the TITLE of the thread had been answered. wallbash.gif I don't have time to argue with idiots...)
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2009, 06:36:25 PM »
QUOTE(Mayo @ Jan 22 2009, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Kim, Firefox is checking in with the Google Safe Browsing server.

Thanks, Mayo. Most interesting since I don't have the Google toolbar installed.

QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Jan 22 2009, 02:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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after I launched Safari, while it was idle and not at any web page ... it was contacting Google, doubleclick, and edgesuite (no idea what this is).
What do you have as a "home page?"

Homepage: blank page (same as I use for FF) .... and I didn't have a blank page open. I had used Safari, and closed the window. It was still running, but I wasn't using it. That's really why it caught my attention.

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It's always been happening, you just won't know it if LS or something like it is installed (or you like using Terminal!).

This is almost creepy. wink.gif
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2009, 08:18:53 PM »
And what you don't know can! laugh.gif

If Safari never had a web page loaded and messages were being sent by it to double-click, then we have another indication that Apple has started 'keeping track' of more than a few serial numbers. Or, they have found another income stream to help boost their 'ailing' coffers! No, wait, it's Steve that is ailing...the coffers are full to overflowing! eek2.gif

I've opened the Connection History window with Safari selected. Only four domains are listed; photobucket, ipaintit, checkurl.phishtank, techsurvivors and comcast (my ISP). The last two are obvious. I assume that the ipaintit and photobucket are links to some image in one of the threads I have opened. I'd have to look up what the checkurl.phistank is for, assuming that the name doesn't represent that. dntknw.gif
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2009, 08:46:55 PM »
OK, here's some interesting info on pirated copies of the iWork Suite. <COMPUTERWORLD-Security:Trojan hides in pirated copies of Apple's iWork '09>

This doesn't sound like what was being discussed on the Apple Forums, but is it a harbinger of what may start happening? Of course, I have no pity for anyone downloading anything from a pirated software source...but Apple's announcement that serial numbers/registration would no longer be needed isn't helping matters (even if there are pirate sources for the numbers!).
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2009, 09:40:34 PM »
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I've opened the Connection History window with Safari selected.


Where is this "Connection History window" you refer to?

I've been perusing the Pages '09 Apple forum today... It would appear that the days of purchasing one copy of iWork and installing it on both a desktop and portable Mac are Long Gone. It is my impression that the new registration scheme requires the purchase of a "family pack" if you want to install the software on more than one computer. Can anyone confirm this?

I was considering upgrading because on one or two occasions I have had Pages '08 file corrupted and I think that the problem was with the .xml "sidecar" that is created with each Pages document. (In at least one case the document had been encrypted using goSecure, but I haven't been able to determine if it is the cause of the problem.) Pages '09 allows the user to create a file without a sidecar file but some people are reporting problems when using the option.
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