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« on: February 12, 2009, 02:15:47 PM »
I looked in the TS archives and did not find any.

Googling the subject, I can only find scanners that require Windows and I don't have an Intel iMac. Mine is an iMac G5.

May be some of you know of one that would be reasonably priced, around 100$ or so.

Thanks.

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 02:37:06 PM »
I think maybe 8-10 years ago there were a number of these things out there but now they seem to be fewer and pretty expensive.  I did see services that would do this for you if you want to trust your memories to UPS or the mail.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 03:20:21 PM »
If my experiences are worth anything.... DON'T!!!!

I tried a number of the low-end stand-alone slide scanners and for my money... all are slow, most are noisy, and all gave poor results for the time and effort put in.

That said, I've seen slide scanners to terrific work.... but they were in the $us1500.00 - $us2300.00 range.

I know that Wal-Mart's photo department has the capability (don't know about the expertise) to copy slides to cd/dvds... at about $us.25 - $us.40 per slide.  Pretty spendy if you have a large collection to be copied!!

Many current flat bed scanners have 'kits / attachments' to scan slides. I don't have any experience with them, even though my HP Photosmart 3310 AIO has the attachments, I've not gotten around to using it.

I would love to transfer our LARGE collection of travel & family slides to digital media.  One more thing on my 'to-do' list.

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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 07:38:08 PM »
JB, I'm a pro photographer with some experience in this area...

A dedicated slide scanner for $100? It isn't going to happen unless you find a really good deal on a used model. Forget most flatbed scanners because one you up-rez the scan to a usable size the images can look pretty crummy. Some people have written favorable reviews about using a relatively inexpensive flatbed scanner to obtain decent scans of slides, but I don't have any to share. You should check out DP Review and Photo.net as both Web sites have scanning forums. A lot of those folks do more scanning than I do and they may know something that I don't.

Slide scanners are becoming somewhat scarce since Minolta got out of the biz. In my experience the Minolta scanners didn't hold up all that well so I wouldn't even get a used model unless it was cheap and lightly-used.

I think that your best bet is a Nikon Coolscan V. In fact, the Nikon scanning software isn't compatible with Leopard, so a G5 running Tiger would be a good match. Otherwise you would have to invest in VueSoft (relatively cheap) or SilverFast (Very Expensive) scanning software... The Nikon V does an excellent job and is relatively fast, but you do have to scan the slides individually.  The more expensive Coolscan 5000 can batch scan slides, but that requires an optional and somewhat pricey slide feeder. The scan quality of the 5000 is (theoretically...) marginally better than the Coolscan V, but it is around twice as expensive even before you add a batch scanning feeder. (Kindly keep in mind that I am estimating prices from memory and that the info is probably somewhat out of date.)

The one caveat that comes to mind regarding the Coolscan V is that Kodachrome slides can be difficult to scan and the results may not be all that good. There are workarounds online but I haven't played around with Kodachrome enough as of this writing...

Last time I checked the Nikon V was going for around $500 new, but that was awhile ago... If you can locate a clean used Nikon V you could reasonably expect to scan your slides and then resell it and maybe even break-even on the deal.

It all depends on what you can find on eBay/Craigslist, how many slides you have and your budget. Plus it takes some knowledge and practice to get the best scans. It may be more cost and time-effective to have your slides scanned, but then you need to make sure you know what quality level the scans will be, as that varies.

If you decide to go for a Coolscan V and you have Kodachrome (or even other film types) I'd be happy to scan my bookmarks (no pun intended...) and post relevant Web sites that will help you get the most out of it.

My advice to anyone planning to scan film sooner or later is to do it sooner, because film scanners are quickly going the way of the dodo.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 08:46:39 PM »
Several years ago I bought a used Polaroid SprintScan 35 Plus slide & film scanner. If I remember I paid about $50 plus shipping of $15. This is an excellent scanner that sold for $1500 in the early 90s. I have scanned hundreds of 35mm slides.

The scanner runs on OS 9.x, but requires an SCSI interface. I had to install a SCSI PCI card in my G4. I was able to download the required software from Polaroid's web site.

If you could find this scanner you could also buy and older Mac to operate. Here's one on eBay.
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2009, 08:00:19 PM »
Hey JB, a few years ago (hmmmm. . . appears to be an echo in here! biggrin.gif) I bought a little PrimeFilm 1800u for about $70, and although it's slow, it appears to work pretty well.  I'm sure that it wouldn't be good enough for pros, but it'll work to get those old slides into your computer, and I've had pretty good luck with working with ones that have started to deteriorate (as you probably will find they have started to do) with Photoshop & PS Elements.  You might try googling or see if you can find one on eBay.  BTW, I'm using an non-Intel G5.
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2009, 09:08:13 AM »
Just a FYI - it's VueScan, not VueSoft. wink.gif Great software - I used it with an old SCSI scanner for a while and even with my much newer Epson, because I liked it better than the bundled scanning software.

http://www.hamrick.com/

List of supported scanners: http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported

I have a whole bunch of slides too...and yes, I oughta do something about them! tongue.gif
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2009, 09:23:24 AM »
The problem with most current scanners is that they depend on reflected light. Slides, of course, expect to have transmitted light. In other words, the slide is between the light and the viewer. Todays scanners simply bounce light off the surface of an object to get an image. Dedicated slide scanners, I assume, used the same principle as a slide projector, putting the slide between the light source and the imaging receiver. But, slide film is becoming even difficult to find, much less use (do they still make cameras that use film, other than the disposable ones?), the need for these kinds of scanners is decreasing quickly. Obviously, you should have done all this transferring of slides to digital format many years ago! Why did you delay?!!!! Probably for the same reasons I did, unfortunately... sad.gif Now it is even more difficult... "Learning slowly, you are." smile.gif Indeed, I bought an attachment for an old SCSI scanner that was to be used to scan slides (basically, a frame to hold the slides with a light source in it). Unfortunately, the native resolution of the scanner prohibited it from making good copies...now that we have much better native resolution scanners, I don't see any 'attachments' to use with them. wallbash.gif Too small a market? dntknw.gif Seems it could be profitable for some one.

Of course, another big problem is the 'color' of the light source. Not to mention the problem of dealing with the large amounts of heat usually associated with that light...

OK, we've pretty well mentioned all the problems...who can provide a reasonable solution? Make a slide holder for our new digital cameras? With auxillary lens to focus at the short distances required? And to protect the electronics from the probably direct aiming at the sun for the correct color and intensity of light? eek2.gif Can use say "Injury lawsuits?" whistling.gif
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« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2009, 09:42:37 AM »
My CanoScan 8800F has a backlight in the lid, with a slide holder that holds several slides.

It does a fairly credible job.

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« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2009, 10:26:42 AM »
There you go! Just google "CanoScan 8800F" and you get several sites offering some very good user experiences, plus some comparisons of a couple of other models/manufacturers. smile.gif

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« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2009, 01:17:02 PM »
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« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2009, 01:38:01 PM »
QUOTE(Jack W @ Feb 14 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My CanoScan 8800F has a backlight in the lid, with a slide holder that holds several slides.

It does a fairly credible job.

- Jack

I have an EPSON PERFECTION 3170 PHOTO which also is backlight in the lid using  the slide and negative adapter.  I have digitized about 300 slides with it. The quality of the originals were nothing to write home about(taken in the late 50s) but the scanner did what I would call an adequate job.  I have a professional artist friend who used it for some work and was very happy with the slide scans.

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This site shows it for $174 but I dont think I paid that much several years back

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« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2009, 03:29:58 PM »
My Epson - the 2450 - has the backlight as well. I scanned a slide a while ago and darned if I can find the image now to check the quality. I will try it again; it seemed to me at the time that it was reasonably good.

Here's a review with plenty of examples, including some comparisons to the same scan done with the Nikon Coolscan IV, and the results aren't half bad!

http://www.ephotozine.com/article/Epson-Pe...2450-Photo-4373

There are several newer models of Epson scanners, with higher DPI, which should produce even better results. If you should decide to go for an older used model, make sure that it has a driver that works in OS 10.4/10.5 and whatever Mac you're using or check to see if it works with VueScan - the Epson driver for my scanner doesn't work unless you run Photoshop CS3/CS4 in Rosetta mode. I don't think so!!!! (Another reason I use VueScan)

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« Reply #13 on: February 14, 2009, 08:20:14 PM »
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darned if I can find the image now
Many times these specialized apps/plugins are 'hard wired' to a certain 'default' folder. I'd check in: ~/Library/Slide Scans/Slide Tray Folder
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« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2009, 08:29:21 PM »
Already looked there, Jim. wink.gif I'm afraid it would probably take less time to go downstairs, retrieve the scanner, hook it up and scan a slide than try to find a file that for all I know, I don't even have any more!
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