Author Topic: applications quitting.. (Read 4979 times)

ADSR · « **on:** April 15, 2009, 04:04:50 PM »

Got sometimes unknown ( from me..) applications quitting...like:
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Don't know what they are for?
Is this a big problem...?

GR

Xairbusdriver · « **Reply #1 on:** April 15, 2009, 05:36:54 PM »

It's a built-in function of the OS, telling you what 'application' has crashed (whether you even knew it was running, as in this case). I don't speak/read French, but it should be telling you to ignore or cancel the alert or to report it to Apple. Apple does, actually, read these reports and it costs you nothing. The OS will basically send the last part of the appropriate Crash Log to Apple who can better determine exactly what happened and hopefully why. There are prefs that allow you to prevent these alerts from ever showing and to allow a slightly more detailed version to be used. Sometimes the dialog will offer three options; relaunch the app, cancel the alert and send a report.

Obviously, crashes involving System and especially 'kernel' stuff is pretty serious. OTOH, it cold simply be a fluke call to a bad/incorrect memory address. Go ahead and report it, should it happen again. And I'd also keep a record of what seems to be crashing. Hopefully, you'll never ever see that dialog again!

ADSR · « **Reply #2 on:** April 15, 2009, 06:22:05 PM »

Last week 3 of them quit one after the other...sent reports to apple.
I'll keep a record now for the next crashes.

Thanks

GR

Paddy · « **Reply #3 on:** April 15, 2009, 09:46:45 PM »

According to an article at MacFixit:

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EXC_BAD_ACCESS/KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE — This is caused by the thread trying to write to read-only memory. This is always caused by a data access.

Which sort of explains the what, but not the why...

Anyway, this thread suggests using Onyx, with specific instructions:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=626260

For the record, when apps quit unexpectedly, I usually get that message. I don't have a lot of consistently quitting apps though (touch wood) - if I ever do, usually deleting .plist files has done the trick.

ADSR · « **Reply #4 on:** April 16, 2009, 05:10:33 AM »

plist are preférence files like in OS9...?

Deleting them force to re set prefrences in all applications..?

GR

Xairbusdriver · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2009, 06:58:55 AM »

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plist are preférence files like in OS9...?

Deleting them force to re set prefrences in all applications..?

Yes and yes.

The "p" in plist stands for 'preference,' so a "plist" is a preference list for any app. You can usually find them in your user folder/Library/Preferences, usually with the developers or the applications name in the file name and a suffix of ".plist"

Moving one of these files out of where ever it is will force the application to create a new one with default values for everything. Therefore, you will lose any changes you may have made to those preferences. But if this operation makes the application stop crashing, it is well worth the meager effort. If moving the file does not help matters, it is easy to put the original file back where it came from and restore any special settings you might have made. Of course, if an application continues to crash, the problem is still to be determined.

Sometimes developers let an error get by them (even Apple!) and they make an update to correct them. It's always a good idea to allow any good application to use its automatic update alerting system, if it has one. The problems you might be having may have been addressed by a recent update that you didn't know about.

dboh · « **Reply #6 on:** April 16, 2009, 07:07:34 AM »

I've gotten that same message (EXC BAD ACCESS KERN PROTECTION FAILURE) in a few Console logs when I've crashed from time to time. I Googled around and it seemed to me that it had to do with memory (as in not enough).

Paddy · « **Reply #7 on:** April 16, 2009, 09:12:09 AM »

Um, no, dboh, that is not the case from what I can tell, although a lot of people try to make that assumption, or the assumption that it's bad 3rd party RAM. I've yet to see anything that indicates the cause is either of those things. If it was, I'm pretty sure Apple would have told us. Generally it's something going wonky in accessing the memory - something in the applications/OS or combinations thereof. In other words, bad code - something corrupted, something badly written or something conflicting.

For example:

http://support.apple.com/kb/TA21088

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=144600

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=6363590 (this one turns out to be a faulty install of QT 7.4, which can happen...)

dboh · « **Reply #8 on:** April 16, 2009, 09:45:41 AM »

QUOTE(Paddy @ Apr 16 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

In other words, bad code - something corrupted, something badly written or something conflicting.

For me, it mostly happens while I'm viewing a document in Acrobat 7.07 Professional. Not editing or anything, just viewing. I'm on my second hard drive (meaning I've installed a fresh copy of Acrobat) and it still does it. I haven't read anything about Acrobat having bad code or conflicts (my pfiles are fine).

Paddy · « **Reply #9 on:** April 16, 2009, 04:31:59 PM »

Various ideas/solutions here - it's not an unknown issue:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=480218

Note - none of them involve bad or insufficient RAM.

ADSR · « **Reply #10 on:** May 01, 2009, 12:53:44 PM »

Sometimes had these crashing among others...

Issave
trampoline
sflsharedprefstool
activeatesettings
sh

That seems to be system files

is this a warning for future system disaster

, can i do something to stop these crashes ?

Thanks

GR

krissel · « **Reply #11 on:** May 04, 2009, 01:34:08 AM »

Sounds like you may need to run AppleJack or Onyx or both. There are other suggestions in these threads that may give you some help.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1346932

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/H...CI_BOOK.4b.html

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=9251312

ADSR · « **Reply #12 on:** May 04, 2009, 12:42:28 PM »

Run Onyx automated tasks...reboot and sh just quit.

Downloaded Applejack, run it (a bit surprised whith my azerty keybaoard )

When applejack was running i could read :

Rom for aty rage 128 is too old (oxb6246948)...is this a source of problem ? is it updatable?

Untill now no quitting...hope it gonna last

Thanks very much for the help

GR

Xairbusdriver · « **Reply #13 on:** May 04, 2009, 06:30:06 PM »

I'm not at all certain that "sh" should even be running, anyway.

As a matter of fact, all those 'words' look like something one would only see in Unix or Terminal windows. Have you observed their appearance in Activity Monitor? Open that app and sort the list by clicking on the "Process Name" column label. That should list the names in alphabetical order. Are any of those names in the list?

RNKIII · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2009, 07:07:59 PM »

Not sure about the rest... but "SH" always shows up in any activity window I have open... usually from 1.2% to 5.6% of the system.?!?!?!

Just my $.02..

Bob K. rnkiii

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