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Offline kimmer

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« on: May 13, 2009, 10:17:15 PM »
I joined the forum at Duncan Hines (the cake folks) and I was trying to post and FF was hanging up, so I switched to Safari and I got this charming alert:

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Do you believe this? Safari support is limited?  dry.gif  On whose end? I hope they mean theirs. But what a rude little note. "Don't bother us". I may bother them.

BTW, Safari worked fine, as did FF. The problem is their site is sluggish, and their board software STINKS!!!!!!! But I'm there to chat a bit and ... errmm ... find some new cake recipes, so I'll deal with the sluggishness and probably won't bother them. laugh.gif But I really should. Experimental my aunt fannie.  oops.gif
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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2009, 02:10:53 AM »
I wouldn't turn off the warning anyway, not just for one site. Phooey.

Oh, thanks a bunch for sending me to that site. Now all I can think of is brownies.... yum.gif
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2009, 02:52:26 AM »
QUOTE(krissel @ May 13 2009, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I wouldn't turn off the warning anyway, not just for one site. Phooey.

Oh, thanks a bunch for sending me to that site. Now all I can think of is brownies.... yum.gif


Yeah, I'm not turning it off either. I am going to drop them a nice note.

As far as brownies go ... you're welcome and check this out. hehehe

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 07:17:53 PM »
Maybe they mean "standards" support is very limited? I'm not an html parser builder, but it's all plain text when the browser, any browser, sees it. It's up to the browser to 'read' and convert that text into what should be displayed and where (although that is often up to the browser or affected by javascript). Explorers developers haven't always agreed with others about the meaning of W3C 'rules,' and they were also interested in creating a subset of functions that worked only Exploder. Having a monopoly does have its advantages, after all. rolleyes.gif

So, it always makes me wonder what some of these sites are talking about when they mention one or another browser as being 'supported.' If they mean they develop their site on and test it on only one browser, that is not the same as saying they don't support another, specific browser. It only means they are too lazy to find out why only one or two browsers display their site the way the want it to be seen. To me, it also means they are still tied to the 'pixel-perfect-placement' paradigm of print media. But it also often means they like the way one browser does things and don't know how to get all browsers to interpret their code the same way.

When any browser scores very high on most standards tests and a site warns that they don't 'support' that browser, it is obvious that they either don't know or care about 'standards.' And to me, that says they are not interested in their viewers, either, only what they want and the way they want others to see it. "Excuse me. Did you know that I can completely block all of your presentational code?" dntknw.gif Rather like the html email question, is the point to give me information I want or to try to entertain me enough that I won't notice the sales pitch for a less than superior product? Thinking.gif If the site can make use of new technologies to provide easier usage in finding the information I want, great! Otherwise, stop wasting my time (and bandwidth)! rant.gif If I want flashy, gaudy colors and movement, I'll go visit a carnival...
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 09:22:30 PM »
I have no clue what they are referring to. The site is horribly slow and sluggish, and once I've opened 3 or 4 threads, I have to close my browser, and wait about 10 min to return. I know it's loaded with javascript and maybe that's the issue. I'm going to contact them and ask for an explanation.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 09:59:45 PM »
That message looks like an Apple-generated window instead of one offered up by the Web site.  Are you using Safari 4 beta? I'm guessing that Apple isn't interested in receiving Safari bug reports on the current Safari beta related to Web sites like the one you visited. Either Safari isn't quite up to snuff or the Web site isn't... beats me which is which.

I'd wait a bit before sending notes nasty or otherwise to Duncan Hines; you don't want to come off as Mac Arseholes do you!
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 10:39:11 PM »
I'm using Safari Version 3.2.1 (4525.27.1). I am going to write a nice note to DH and ask them about the alert. smile.gif I don't generally send nasty notes, except as a last resort -- and then I tend to just drop it.

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2009, 11:02:54 PM »
Hmmm... Never Mind. I was guessing anyway... The Web site appears to work just fine with Safari 4 pubic beta 2, which I installed today.

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2009, 11:18:48 PM »
Kimmer, I'm getting no alerts like you saw - using Safari Version 4 Public Beta (5528.16), which has been rock-solid for me. Plus there don't seem to be any speed issues, though I haven't bothered registering for their Baker's Club which appears to be the only way to get into their forum.

But I agree with Jim on the subject of web masters who cannot be bothered to comply with web standards AND test their sites on all common browsers. Of course, I also find the reverse annoying - when my otherwise compliant code works on everything BUT *&^% Internet Exploder. That's happening less these days, thankfully, but there are still workarounds to get some of the more sophisticated things in CSS to work in IE. And I'm always offended by "this site best viewed using..." messages (usually IE/FF) or worse - sites that have the nerve to TELL you via an error page, that you'll have to use another browser! The Gap used to be that way if you tried to order something online - I gave them a piece of my mind about that and 6 months later Safari worked. I'm sure I wasn't the only complainant.
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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2009, 01:32:25 AM »
I only get the alert on their forums. The site works fine, although it's slow in both FF and Safari.

Where do I download this beta version of Safari? And if I do, can I keep my current version as well?

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2009, 03:55:49 AM »
http://www.apple.com/safari/download/

If you want the current version to stay, rename it or add a number to it so this one won't overwrite it. Or put it somewhere else besides Applications. You won't be able to run both at the same time though.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2009, 08:40:00 AM »
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If you want the current version to stay, rename it or add a number to it so this one won't overwrite it.
The ßeta Installer also has an "Uninstall" option. I suspect that the Installer simply 'hides' the old version (maybe just adding a "." in front of its name and possibly changing its suffix). In any case, you may want to retain the ßeta Installer. Personally, I think the better path is to always keep a non-Apple browser around, just in case something prevents your Apple one from accessing the interweb! eek2.gif rofl.gif

Now, if we could just have alternate apps for all those other absolutely necessary apps... smile.gif
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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2009, 10:40:18 AM »
Thanks, Kris. I'll download and try it (after renaming my "old" version).

I always have 3 browsers available -- FF (my browser of choice), Safari and Camino. I might even have a really old version of exploder  Thinking.gif  from my migration over to this iMac.

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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2009, 05:02:59 PM »
Renamed old version, downloaded 4beta, installed and it overwrote my old version.  dry.gif  Hope it works okay (although it looks a bit different and I'm not sure I like the squareness).

Anyhow, went to DH forums, went to post, no prob, no alert. Turned on "rich text" and there was the same alert. Since rich text editor with Safari works fine everywhere but there, it's got to be an issue with their board/software. I can do without the rich text, so I'm not going to worry about it, but I am composing a nice note to send to them. wink.gif

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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2009, 04:59:08 AM »
Geesh, sorry about that overwrite.  It always works with Camino, Opera and FF when I download a new version. In fact I just trashed four older versions of Camino where I had added numbers to the name so I could revert to them. Guess Apple uses a different approach.

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But the good news is that I've been using the beta since February with little trouble. A few sites won't let me save the pages due to some sort or scripting. That's when I fire up Camino and it has no problem saving the page.
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