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« on: September 13, 2009, 01:47:35 PM »
I have far too long a list of special Albums in my iPhoto (8.1) app.

However, there seems to be no way to arrange them in any order other than alphabetical, unless one appends a digit as a prefix.

iPhoto HELP is silent. "Intuition" has been of no creative (or otherwise) assistance.

Any ideas out there in TeeEssLand?

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« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2009, 02:32:20 PM »
Faces, Places or Events is what Apple offers.
click on > Organize your photos for the video.


A single photo (A) can be viewed in any of the categories. If a face (yours) is in a place (california) at an event (sky diving) no matter which of the criteria you choose (A) will appear. I keep them in folders by date and then set up different libraries.
Most of my photos have names that I establish when i load them on the desktop first using a batch renaming app.

So, I know when the photo was taken, and the name assigned gives me a pretty good idea what its about when viewing it in a list and then I can use a category search to select a photo.

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2009, 04:24:57 PM »
What I was inquiring about was how to have a varying order of Albums, not an assemblage of pictures. With 4000+ pics, I have sorted selections of them by years, by family, by major event photographed, etc. etc. I want to know how to re-order the "column of albums" to suit me.

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« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2009, 09:41:59 PM »
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them by years, by family, by major event photographed, etc. etc.
Why not label them as such? I think you are somewhat over-zealous in your folder creation routine, but folders usually sort by numbers first, then alphabetically (at least for now, no telling when Apple "management" may decide to change that!).

Besides, isn't the majority of the date stuff already in the meta data? Can't iPhoto sort on that?

So...

Folder 1: 2001
Folder 2: 2003
 etc.

In folder 2001:
January
In January:
Events
Family
Weird Ones
Don't let anyone see these!

And so on. Surely iPhoto has a way to find folders? If not, try making even more with the Smart Folder method, which is probably what you're already doing:
Events folder
By Date
By Family
Inside the Date one use the following date format:
2001_01
2001_02
etc.
Inside Family:
Peairs_Kids
Peairs_R
Smith
Williams
etc.

And, then there are Faces, events, places. With only 400+ images, it shouldn't take more than a few weeks for iPhoto to be able to recognize 50% of the people, the rest will be automagic. Places will take only a few months to reach the majority. Events may be for your ancestors! tease.gif

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« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2009, 10:17:46 PM »
Perhaps   whistling.gif   I  should twll The Rest of the Story ,

Since, over the past several years (at least 8) I have constructed several slide shows for various family celebrations, some of which included some very old pictures, from many, many, many venues (that's 4000+ pics ABD) a whole passel of which were first scanned (slides, 35mm prints) and then (when iPhoto came along) put in its Library, I want to be able to sort on many dimensions.
  • Canal Lewisville, OH 1925-40
  • Roswell, NM 1946-49
  • Occidental College 1949-51
  • 2d Armored Div 1951-53
  • Glacier National Park
  • Wedding (1st and only) 1954
  • Mark -1956
  • John - 1958
  • Anne - 1963 . . . and so on, at least 75 times, and counting
. . . got the "picture", not to put too fine a point on it? I have not been able even to entitle all of them. So sorting "hand-to-mouse" is the method of choice, at present.

How can I entitle those Albums so the Albums can be ordered in alternate ways. I do not have my Albums as subordinate to Events, has that been my mistake? Misunderstanding? They are a "roster" under "Albums", which seemed like a good idea at the time.

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 07:05:07 AM »
I'll have to admit here... that I'm still lost.

question #1 do you want to sequence the folders?

#2 do you want to sequence the  photos/movies/slideshows

If the winner is #2 then use Bach Change under the Photo menu
http://www.learningelectric.com/iphoto6/15.mov

I Bach my photos on the desktop before I import them to any program. I don't use iPhoto exclusively. Since all of your photos are in iPhoto you can rename and renumber them.... a folder at a time.

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If you want to rename or sequence your folders, I don't think iPhoto will give you the tools to Bach them. They would need to be changed manually.
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Once the files. not the folders, are renamed you can arrange them anyway you want, access them in multiple ways..

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name_date_place....date_place_name......place_name_date??? all included in the renaming. Use lowercase font only and no spaces.

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If you only want to view them in a different index...or Arranged differently, go to VIEW in the menu and click on Arrange photos. Choices are = Date, Title, Rating.
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If this answer is on the wrong track....please ignore the my Propeller Hat. wink.gif
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 09:26:54 AM »
Somehow - could I be responsible for that – this has gotten needlessly complex, folks.

Since the very beginning of the Mac Era, one could treat labels as humans have always used their language . . . using words, w/caps, avoiding abbreviations, etc to make those labels quickly recognizable. Then, by further using spaces and other VERY simple strategems (first/last letters of the alphabet, or simple symbols = 1,2,3/•/#. or spaces) one could reorder multiple items in even long rosters of files/folders w/o doing too much damage to a ready recognition of the meaning of the title . . . . anything to avoid the madness of DOS' nerdy restrictions. Surprise, surprise.

In iPhoto I want to be able to re-order to my Album labels (WITHOUT doing damage to their specific meanings). Just the titles. "Batches" do not apply. It's data, not metadata, in which I'm interested.

A rough analogy in AddressBook: I have about 20 subGROUPS of addressees arranged beneath ALL (which = > 1200), which are especially useful, for example, in applying multiple addresses to e-mails. Some of these Groups' lables are only slightly different from others with the same basic names: e.g. FAMILY, Immediate; FAMILY, Extended; FAMILY, Total. The problem is IF I wish to move these GROUPS ("albums", if you will) to the top of the Group Roster, AddressBook won't allow spaces before the names, so I've used Alpha-Numeric codes (A1, B3, C2) to accomplish the rearranging of subsets of Groups in that roster without doing too much "injustice" to their real titles.

I have many more photo ALBUMS than address GROUPS. I just want to be able to put the listing of them in MY sequence, without nesting, of nested-nests of items. OK? And, if at all possible, w/o using alphanumeric prefixes that beome too long and confusing. (Never forget, my eyes are almost 81 years old and my next cataract excision isn't scheduled until October 29!

Any ideas for this presumably, I thought, simple problem?

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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2009, 01:10:28 PM »
You got me there Dick!

My fault, you would like to hack the iphoto.db file....danger....danger.

It is highly recommended that one does not edit/hack-into the database file in iPhoto

There is no front door that I can see in iPhoto for sequencing the albums...(albums are folders in finder)

You can look at the files on a code level in Text Wrangler but i don't think you will get far?

If you have some time to kill make a copy of the file and have a look.

home/pictures/albums







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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2009, 04:54:13 PM »
First of all, have no fear of disturbing anything inside any current folder, unless you specifically remove something, it will still be there, even if the folders title changes. As far as I know iPhoto and iTunes treat all your imports as 'sacred.' If you create a new folder to sort things a little, the app simply puts a pointer or alias, if you wish, to the original. This is a simplified explanation and I've never trusted either app for much and certainly have a much smaller collection in each than you do.

My point is, neither of these apps were designed for extended sorting and listing in user-defined ways. Apple decided how the lists would sort. Period. Apparently the same list coding that has been used for eons, alphabetical using ASCII character codes. That puts numbers ahead of letters, capital letters ahead of lower case and most punctuation at the end. Of course the OS further restrict a very few characters for itself. The forward slash (/) and colon (smile.gif come to mind, since they are used to display the 'path' of a file. Unless you make some changes in your prefs, adding a period to the beginning of a file/folder name will simply make it disappear. It's not destroyed, it's just hidden from noobies.

Naming images/files/folders/dogs and especially cats, is a learned skill. The Mac made it very simple for us to use just about any method we wanted without too much bother. And that was fine when we could store the whole OS on a 400 MB floppy! wink.gif Now, the OS itself, contains 10,000+ separate files, and many users would be amazed that there are several hundred those files/folders on their hard drives!

Unfortunately, most of us don't realize our current naming methods are not 'scalable' to the eventual size of our collections of similar stuff. At that point, we realize that we should have used a different app or at least a different naming procedure. Of course, this is like closing the barn door after the water has passed under the bridge! eek2.gif

Another possible exercise you may want to investigate is keeping/creating more than one iPhoto Library. I understand this is now possible but have absolutely no experience. And I fear that all this would end up doing is to prevent having the same image in more than one Library, which could be another big headache. It would, obviously require more disk space as each Library has many ancillary files in it, besides just the images.

Sorry not to have an easy solution for you. I know it can be frustrating to deal with built-in limitations of an app. But, if enough people complain about them, some industrious developer will come along and create a solution, that just may be longer than you can stand (or lie, as the case may be) to wait!

I suppose you have accessed the Apple Forums concerning iPhoto? There are usually thousands of posts about every conceivable problem and often a quite expert solution for many of them.

On the bright side of this, think about what would happen if all you had were hard copies of each image?! eek2.gif And how many albums would it take to store them? How many rooms would be needed? Boggles the mind!
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2009, 03:20:30 AM »
About 40 years ago, having been "victimized" by buying a Saab (long story) I decided to enroll in the local HS' auto maintenance classes to save myself a ton of money. The teacher's motto: "If a man made it, a man can repair it!"

I tried to remember that in the last couple of days and re-institute my own search for the solution to the "problem" I attempted to cite in this thread – with only limited success.

PROBLEM SOLVED!

I can't tell you why, but this apparently is Apple's "solution" to my re-arrangement dilemma.

Albums, as listed, CAN be reordered by holding down OPTION, then clicking and dragging the Album title to another position in the existing roster.

EXCEPT, you can only move a given Album title four (4) lines at a time. Then, drop it and pick it up again for another 4-line move.

Piece o' cake . .  almost.

The big question is "why" this departure from the simple strategem of click-n-drag moving of Bookmarks in Safari. I had tried that . . . repeatedly and unsuccessfully . . . before initiating this thread.

Thanks to all who endeavored to help.


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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2009, 08:49:47 AM »
Dick, I guess I was approaching the issue on a grander scale, hundreds of albums 1 at a time didn't seem like the right approach. In Panther, I can drag an Album without an option key anywhere without restrictions.

I assumed that was too easy of an answer and blew right past it. wink.gif

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2009, 09:43:44 AM »
If I had assembled "hundreds" of albums for my N of pics, I doubt that such a system would have met any known criterion of efficiency/usefulness. 50-60+ are about all that are involved.

However, the ability to arrange (and re-arrange, maybe even re-re-arrange) them in some desirable sequence – w/o messing-up the "meaning" of their respective album titles – seemed like a desirable goal, and one that shouldn't tax one or more cerebral structures too mightily.  whistling.gif

But it did.

And then, finally, Occam's Razor was "applied" and came into "effect" (as it does/should in more occasions of modern discourse/problem-solving than it does!) and there you are! ohmy.gif

Thanks, again.

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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2009, 10:31:03 AM »
I've always wondered why they altered the spelling in Ockham, and does the question complicated the matter? Which would bring up the question, Gellette or Schick and which is simpler. Would Schick be considered simpler because it has less letters or would Gellete be simpler because it arrives earlier in the alphabet. Similarly, is Occam used because it has less letters, or one can type two CC quicker than a CK, there are no associations with the town of Ockham, the friar or the churdch? But if you live in England wouldn't it be simpler to remember the towns name and associate it with the razor of your choice? When things are really simple....can they still cut it? Does befuddlement in and of itself beg the question, or is it more complicated than that? Can you carry an Occam Razor on and airplane? Since we live in the 21 century should we consider changing the name yet again to Occam's Laser?

Absolute simplicity would demonstrate that turning right (to Ockham) or left (to Occam) doesn't matter because eventually you will end up in the same place.  whistling.gif

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« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2009, 11:11:42 AM »
Whatever!



But my situation gets even simpler AND more puzzling.

iPhoto 8.1 is now sorting "normally". No CMD/right-click now required! Just click-n-drag.

It's as though there was some kind of gear inside, with too viscous a lubrication delaying its responsiveness . . .  err sumnthin.  whistling.gif

So, as vexing as this has been for some time, it now is truly a non-problem . . . as Macs should be, donschasee.

Go figure.  notworthy.gif
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« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2009, 02:00:01 PM »
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