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« on: January 24, 2003, 03:02:00 PM »
Hi All,

Prepare for a looooong message here. I've got lots on my mind.  

Anyway, not many of you know this but I've had some major problems with my newly bought PowerBook. It arrive on december 4th and did show some weird fan behaviour that I wanted to have checked out.

I did take it to a local dealer, who had never seen a 1GHz PowerBook so they said "oh this is normal" but I knew, deep inside they were wroooong. So I called Apple Support and they sent a box that I was going to use to sen the PowerBook to Holland (over Xmas!).

Anyway, it turned out that the computer came back in the exact shape as it was sent off. Nothing had been done to it! When I then contacted Apple Support and complained the transfered me to Apple Customer Support and the girl there (a gem!) did a check and found out that the complaints that Apple Support had transferred to Holland was NOT the same complaint I had made, and if the technicians in Holland had read the letter I sent with the machine, they WOULD have found out what was the real problem.

Oh well, the girl att Apple Customer Support than suggested that we'd send the machine to an Apple Center in Stockholm to have them look at it. It took a few days until I got an email from their technician saying "Oh yeah, this machine has some problems, we're going to replace the logic board for you, so it'll take a few days".

Then after a week I got another email from the technician "the logic board seem to have fixed the fan problem, but the logic board isn't healthy, the machine is crashing like crazy, so we have to replace the new logic board again".

So yesterday I got an email from the girl at Apple Customer Support that my computer now finally was healthy and that they've even checked the computer over night at the technicians home, to be sure that it was working normally in a home enviroment. Excellent Service!

OK, this isn't over yet... the story that is... so keep reading.

I decided to email "Steve Jobs" the other day, just to get off some steam. I was very polite and all that, but I just had to complain to someone, especially since the 1GHz PowerBook was the THIRD (3rd) PowerBook in 4 years I've had that has had major and smaller problems more or less out of  the box.

I wrote about the Wallstreet I had that burnt up from heating problems and it took a year before I finally got it replaced with a new machine, after 4-5 trips down to Holland. I then wrote about the problems I had with my Pismo (I counted to 8-9 smaller problems that together was making me go nuts) and also about the Apple Center here in town that were so ignorant towards me.

The Apple Center in town had more or less changed all their personal some 3 years ago, becuase their new boss decided to have a provision based salary instead of the steady monthly salary. A problem for the technicians since they really couldn't make a provision on warranty work, so they all quit their job and instead came in a gang of not-so-experienced technicians.

One of those technicians was told several times about my problems with the computer and that I needed him to contact me through email since I'm voice handicapped. Something that he totally ignored and after my mother and my husband had made about 5-6 calls and the guy never ever emailed me back, I gave up! I just didn't have the energy to fight anymore with him and tried to live with the small glitches and problems the Pismo had.

So you can imagine my happiness when I finally could order a new computer and the happiness I felt when it arrived on december 4th. You can also probably imagine the disappointment I felt when I found out that it had a weird fan problem (the secondary fan never turned off - something that shouldn't be like that).

Anyway, I emailed "Steve" and explained all this and today I was contacted by a senior executive at Apple Sweden about the letter I had sent to Steve Jobs!

They wanted of course to know more about the Apple Center in question that had been so ignorant but they also wanted to appologize about my unluck with the three PowerBooks I've had for the last 4 years. I sure had been unlucky to hit those 3% problem machines three times in a row! (wonder what the odds for that is?).

So, to show some good faith they did offer me an AppleCare Protection Plan for 3 years for free.

I must say that was exactly what I needed! I can't afford the AppleCare for a PowerBook (that's about $500 USD in Swedish currency) so it was a great offer and it sure ensures me that if I ever have any hardware problems I will get help!

Excellent service and it proves that it helps to complain to the right person!

I had emailed the CEO of Apple Sweden and also sent him a snailmail letter, but he hadn't answered any of them, but emailing "Steve" helped, even if Steve Jobs probably will never see this email, at least someone in his staff wanted to make up for all the misfortune I've had.

                 

/Petra
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2003, 03:38:00 PM »
Well done Petra - sometimes the only way is to go to the top. Hope you now have happier times with your Macs. Apple should be grateful you HAVE stuck with them!

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2003, 03:39:00 PM »
What a nice story. Indeed I am pleased that you posted it. And it well proves that old adage that one need not suffer in silence when getting the run around from an incompetent underling.

It's been my experience that senior managers are actually eager to hear from real customers/users, as all too often the story they hear from their staff is significantly different from the unbiased and unblemished truth.

You go gal!

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Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~ Voltaire

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2003, 09:05:00 PM »
Good job, Petra! Glad to see you didn't get the complete run-around, just partial.    

I think they ought to give you Apple care for life.


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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2003, 09:31:00 PM »
Great job Petra,

I work as a Project Manager for a very large telco and I know from my experience that if you don't get want, complain in writing to the senior management.

Again, well done Petra.

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2003, 09:43:00 PM »
Petra, if they had paid any attention to your posts here over the last couple of years they would have known not to mess with you from the start!!    

BTW, how's that little guy Rutger doing?? He hasn't been around much.  
 
 [ 01-24-2003, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: RobW ]
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2003, 09:56:00 PM »
Petra's story just proves what I have said for a long time:  "If you don't ask, you don't get."

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« Reply #7 on: January 25, 2003, 08:24:00 AM »
Fantastic story  Petra ...glad to see Apple has a bit of a heart.

As my motto says.."If it aint broke; don't fixit"...but  if it is broke, then by all means fixit...and make it right with the customer. They'll keep coming back.

Again...thanks for sharing this wonderful story with us.
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2003, 05:24:00 PM »
Too     ,Petra!  Nice to know that everything worked out for you.  Happens all too seldom, these days!

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2003, 10:28:00 PM »
Petra,

I'm glad to here that it turned out the way it did and that you told your story.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease......sometimes.    

I think you should get the AppleCare plan for at least 1/2 your life....... at least.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2003, 06:08:00 AM »
I am having a very similar problem with Apple at the moment. But I'm still fighting.  

I upgraded to MacOS X 10.2 about 2 weeks ago. Ever since, my sound output went berserk. The volume goes up and down like a wave without me changing it. And  I can't mute the volume anymore (my command is ignored...perhaps my PMG4 has developed his own consciousness   ).

So I called Apple (I still have my 90-days telephone support for 10.2). The woman on the line had me do all kind of tricks to fix the problem. None worked (she even had me zapp the PRAM...I always thought that OS X doesn't have anything like a PRAM). When she ran out of ideas, she told me to re-install 10.2. I did so, but it didn't help so I called Apple again. I was told to press some funny key combinations while booting and ended in a UNIX-type command line interface where I entered stuff like "reset-nvram".
When that failed, too, I was forwarded to the "executive" line: serious problems that require extra attention.
There, the woman said she would look into the problem and ask Apple technicians, as she had never heard of such a problem before. The called me back two days later and told me that Apple thinks that it is a hardware problem and that I should go to an authorized Apple reseller where that problem could be fixed (where I had to pay for the repair).
I told her that under OS X 10.1 everything was fine. She didn't believe me so I have to re-install OS X 10.1 today in order to proove them that it's not a hardware problem, but a software problem.

Well, to cut a long story short, I am most certain that under OS 10.1 the sound will be fine and if so, I'm going to call Apple tomorrow again. I am very curious how they're going to react. I hope they will be as forthcoming as in your case, Petra.
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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2003, 09:08:00 AM »
quote:
I was told to press some funny key combinations while booting and ended in a UNIX-type command line interface where I entered stuff like "reset-nvram".

FWIW, they had you boot into Open Firmware (command+option+O+F)...

Zapping the PRAM also resets the NVRAM, since that's what they thought would fix it. When it did not, they had you do it manualy in OF.

I lost the "startup chime" in 10.2.3 a few days ago, I haven't done anything about it...I'm just keeping my eye...errr...ear on it.

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« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2003, 06:19:00 AM »
[Update]

 
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Sometimes it pays off to complain!
I second that!  

Apple yesterday agreed to take a look and - if nesessary - repair my Power Mac G4 for free!

Good news!
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« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2003, 08:28:00 AM »
Well, now I've had my PowerBook G4 (1GHz Superdrive) for a week after it's been repaired. It works like a charm!

No loud fans, no constant running fans and I feel protected by the AppleCare Protection Plan as well. I love it!!

I did burn some DVD's and even if it takes an hours, it's defineatly worth the wait. SO COOL!  

/Petra
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« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2003, 11:16:00 PM »
Persistance does pay - I can attest to that.  
My wife (born and grew up in Germany) recently purchased a roasting chicken from our local supermarket.  It was from a nationally known brand packer and seller of chickens (Perdue).  It came with a coupon redeemable by mail for another Perdue Fryer.  She faithfully sent it in - only to be notified that it had 'expired'.  She immediately fired off a letter to the CEO asking him what the deal was - Did she by an out dated roaster - Or, did they put an old coupon in the one she bought?  Would you believe Mr. Frank Perdue himself wrote my wife a letter of apology and assured her that she did not buy an outdated roasting chicken. (He also sent a check for two more.)