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« on: January 17, 2011, 05:02:43 PM »
Has anyone installed Phtoshop Elements 9 on a 10.4 11 OS Mac?  I am thinking about getting one, as I like to cut something out of a photo and add it to annother, and iPhoto doesn't seem to do this...............
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2011, 06:03:59 PM »
Unfortunately, PE 9 won't run on 10.4.11 - it needs 10.5.8 and an Intel Mac minimum. From Adobe's site:

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Multicore Intel® processor
Mac OS X v10.5.8 through v10.6
1GB of RAM (2GB for HD video functions
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There are lots of alternatives. PS Elements 8 will work. As will PS Elements 6 (I still have that and it works under 10.6.6 too)

http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Photoshop-Elem...&s=software (which is more expensive new than PS 9 new - I'd advise looking on eBay for it. wink.gif )

Gimp is free - http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/ - install X11 first.

And there are a bunch of "budget" options too:

http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pixelbase...getphotoedm.htm - most have trial versions so you can figure out which one you like before buying.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2011, 06:17:15 PM »
I don't use .4
any more
    but still abuse rhymes... blush-anim-cl.gif
But I am running Elements 9 to see if there is anything useful that is not in version 8. So far, I haven't seen much except slightly larger text on labels... I would therefore, recommend version 8, and it could probably be found a discount, now, also. thumbup.gif
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« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2011, 08:27:33 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Jan 17 2011, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
...and it could probably be found a discount, now, also. thumbup.gif


Good luck with that. I looked - all over. It's MORE expensive than 9 most of the time, unless you get an academic version, which you have to be able to register with academic credentials, in order to use it. Adobe requires that you send in either student or teacher documentation. And the academic version is still $60. There are also a few "media" disks floating about - beware of those, because they're generally NOT legal by themselves. You do need a serial number (license) and that isn't something individuals can usually buy separately. A few places have sold "bundled" versions - where you have to buy a piece of hardware as well, but I didn't see any current offers.
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« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2011, 11:10:58 AM »
I agree, a serial number is needed. But that doesn't mean it can't be included with the disks. And, as far as I know, Adobe allows users to 'transfer' their software to others just like other developers. It's simple edit of the ownership records...and if they don't I would consider legal action against them...if you have the time, of course. At any rate, if Elements (whichever) can provide all your needs, it's many times cheaper than the full version of Photoshop, even if you get an educator's discount! wink.gif I don't even know if you can buy PS alone... dntknw.gif Then, there is <Pixelmator>($29 at the App Store, and that appears to be the only way to buy it from now on...[you might want to read some of the disgruntled users about that!]), Graphic Converter (newest version), etc. And, Elements 9 (as were earlier versions) is $79 with a $20 mail-in discount, so for a while, anyway, its total cost is $59.44 (or whatever a first class stamp costs...). That's a moot point, however, since it requires 10.5.8 or later... dntknw.gif
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« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2011, 12:03:58 PM »
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I agree, a serial number is needed. But that doesn't mean it can't be included with the disks. And, as far as I know, Adobe allows users to 'transfer' their software to others just like other developers. It's simple edit of the ownership records...and if they don't I would consider legal action against them...if you have the time, of course.


Jim, I was referring to new, rather than used copies on eBay etc. There are a few deceptively cheap "media only" listings out there from software retailers I've never heard of - those are the things I was warning against. If you look at any university bookstore online that has Adobe software, a lot of them have "media only" disks, with separate seat licenses. These are intended more for the university departments buying software in bulk - they don't need a whole lot of disks for instance, but they do need to have a valid license for each installation. I think a lot of these media disks are from similar situations (a newspaper or publishing house could also be in this category, though paying for the considerably more expensive commercial licenses). Adobe certainly doesn't intend for these to be sold at the retail level.
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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2011, 04:09:40 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Jan 17 2011, 07:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unfortunately, PE 9 won't run on 10.4.11 - it needs 10.5.8 and an Intel Mac minimum. From Adobe's site:
Well, glad to know THAT ! Thanks.

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Multicore Intel® processor
Mac OS X v10.5.8 through v10.6
1GB of RAM (2GB for HD video functions
)

There are lots of alternatives. PS Elements 8 will work. As will PS Elements 6 (I still have that and it works under 10.6.6 too)

http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Photoshop-Elem...&s=software (which is more expensive new than PS 9 new - I'd advise looking on eBay for it. wink.gif )

Gimp is free - http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/ - install X11 first.  What is "x11" please?
I heard GIMP is great but steep learning curve?


And there are a bunch of "budget" options too:

http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/pixelbase...getphotoedm.htm - most have trial versions so you can figure out which one you like before buying.
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2011, 04:17:18 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Jan 17 2011, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't use .4
any more
    but still abuse rhymes... blush-anim-cl.gif
But I am running Elements 9 to see if there is anything useful that is not in version 8. So far, I haven't seen much except slightly larger text on labels... I would therefore, recommend version 8, and it could probably be found a discount, now, also. thumbup.gif


Thank you. I suspect, as I am totally an amateur--homebody photographer--that the simplest program would suffice.
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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2011, 07:41:48 PM »
There is a major difference in editing and 'adjusting' a photograph, in my humble opinion. If your intentions are for the latter, you could probably use iPhoto. I'm not sure of the capabilities of the version that came with Tiger but I think you should take a look at it and its Help files. Elements is a simpler version of Photoshop and they both do many things that would be overkill for simply lightening shadows, modifying the overall tint, etc. that you may want to perform. There's really no need for an app that lets you work down to the pixel level, if I'm understanding your needs correctly.

But even if iPhoto doesn't do everything you need, there are apps that will easily run on Tiger and be less expensive than even Elements. I'll do some searching when I get back home. smile.gif
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2011, 12:13:10 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Jan 19 2011, 08:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is a major difference in editing and 'adjusting' a photograph, in my humble opinion. If your intensions are for the latter, you could probably use iPhoto. I'm not sure of the capabilities of the version that came with Tiger but I think you should take a look at it and it's Help files. Elements is a simpler version of Photoshop and they both do many things that would be over kill for simply lightening shadows, modifying the overall tint, etc. that you may want to perform. There's really no need for an app that let's you work down to the pixel level, if I'm understanding your needs correctly.

But even if iPhoto doesn't do everything you need, there are apps that will easily run on Tiger and be less expensive than even Elements. I'll do some searching when I get back home. smile.gif

 
One of the main things I want to do is use clips of shrubs, trees, perennials and "paste" them or otherwise insert them onto a background photo of a garden I am (re)designing.  I need to shrink the shrubs to size or enlarge before pasting onto my main photol  I think this is layering, but I can't seem to find that much about how to do it!  Maybe I should read the HELP section again, or go to the "Missing Manual" ???
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2011, 02:25:51 PM »
iPhoto doesn't do layers. PSE does, as do some of the other apps we listed. GIMP definitely does.

Tutorial here: http://www.tankedup-imaging.com/gimp/layers.html
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2011, 07:55:54 PM »
I seem to remember hearing that the latest version of GraphicConverter could use/create "layers." I browsed through the PDF manual and could not find anything specifically stating that. Several mentions of Alpha layer editing and masking are mentioned and, of course, transparency. I just could not find any info about "layers" as I understand them in Elements/PS/Pixelmator. Certainly creating a mask is one very standard use of "layers" but CG may do it in a differently named procedure. dntknw.gif
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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2011, 12:35:18 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Jan 20 2011, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
iPhoto doesn't do layers. PSE does, as do some of the other apps we listed. GIMP definitely does.

Tutorial here: http://www.tankedup-imaging.com/gimp/layers.html


Aha!  Thank you.  Do you think PSE would be easier to get my ancient brain around??
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« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2011, 01:25:06 PM »
PSE is way easier than the GIMP - at least in my experience.
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« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2011, 06:00:04 PM »
It's even easier than GC, at least the older versions. But, until recently, GC has been the work of a single individual, not the efforts of a huge company like Adobe. The story is that Elements was used to design the new GUI for Photoshop x, several years ago. They simply removed many of the user controls in PS and left much of the PS "engine" in the code. That's one reason many of the PS actions will run in Elements. And others have written scripts/methods that access the hidden processes that do the same things as can be done manually in PS. It's certainly a very capable app for a fraction of the cost of PS. It's not designed for use by professional digital workers, but that doesn't mean it can't be more than adequate for "the rest of us." wink.gif

It's rather analogous to BBEdit and Text Wrangler. The former is an extremely capable tool for writing/editing all kinds of programming languages. But Text Wrangler is a free app that is built from the core code of BBEdit and is perfectly capable of doing the same code writing, it just doesn't include many of the testing/editing/checking/validating tools that are in BBEdit. Of course, BBEdit also has features that are simply not accessible or may have been removed from TW. But, what do you want for FREE?! dntknw.gif And, you can actually write any languages code with any text editor, anyway! Why not use one with some bells and whistles that come wit TW. Same goes for Elements (even though it's certainly not free...). wink.gif

Your main problem will be getting the version that runs best on whichever OS you end up with...but that's already been covered. BTW, no matter which version of Elements you get, there are many on-line tutorials/tips/guides/forums that will speed up the small learning curve and explain the meanings of any new terms you might come across. I've found it provides me with much more than I need but it's still irritating to pay $60 to $80 fro each upgrade. And, I'm still not sure I'll make the jump from 8 to 9... Thinking.gif
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