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Offline Gary S

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« on: July 24, 2011, 11:40:38 AM »
Is anyone running Lion from the download?

I'm just curious if anyone is enjoying it of if it really is not worth it at this time....my mouse and I are in love.wink.gif

Seriously, is anyone running it yet?

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 12:51:51 PM »
Yes, I am!  toothgrin.gif

I like it! Right after the download, my MacBook Pro was a little slow. I assume it was writing a lot of new log information and prefs for awhile. In short time, it got up to speed and it feels as fast/responsive as it ever was.

Lion will be more pleasurable using either the track pad already on the laptops or on the Magic Pad if you're using a desktop or iMac. But that's just my opinion.
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2011, 12:57:19 PM »
Lion is impressive ... but, I have 16 GB of RAm on my QuadCore iMac

It is swell.

Incidfentally,  >  one million peeps installed LION on day one !
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2011, 04:20:35 PM »
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Is anyone running Lion from the download?
Unless you're a developer or you buy a new machine, that's the only way anyone is running it! smile.gif I have a new iMac coming possibly by next Friday. I fear that it will have Lion installed, I'm hoping that it will still have Snow Leopard so I can make the update at my own convenience. I haven't even installed 10.6.8, yet! blush-anim-cl.gif
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 05:30:11 PM »
No major problems here, well, other than my learning curve, e.g., I'm finding Lion a bit steep. Smilar, sorta, to the migration from Classic to OS X. Doing your homework prior to installing Lion cannot be over emphasized (IMNHO).

FWIW, If one has favorite PPC applications, such as Quicken (and others), I strongly recommend keeping a 10.6.x backup (or two). Should you later wish to transfer/import your Quicken data, the export cannot be consummated if the Quicken app cannot be opened (because of no Rosetta).

Lion, best when taken with a soft Burgundy. cool.gif
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 11:44:09 PM »
I'm making a USB stick installer at the moment, and then will bite the bullet and install it on my Macbook Pro. If all goes well with that, then will probably install it on the Mac Pro once I return home from the cottage at the end of the summer. Son #2's iMac will also probably get updated, as that's going to the cottage tomorrow too.

BTW - in case anyone missed it, Apple WILL be making Lion available on USB sticks at the Apple Store later this year for $69. $30 is a lot to pay for an 8GB stick - if you have one lying around, I say download from the App Store (once) and DIY, either for multiple computers or if you want the ability to do a clean install, or just want a backup installer. It's easy to do, though it takes a fair chunk of time for Disk Utility to copy/restore the .dmg file to the USB stick - 35 minutes or so in my case.

NOTE: if you want to make a USB stick installer (or DVD install disk) you MUST do it BEFORE you install on your HD, because Lion deletes the installer once it's done. You'll find the Lion Installer in your Applications folder after you download from the App store.

Instructions: http://jonathansblog.co.uk/make-an-osx-lio...usb-flash-drive
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2011, 07:06:54 AM »
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Lion deletes the installer once it's done.
eek2.gif I wonder if it would help to move the .dmg before doing any installs? Certainly worth copying it to an external/secondary drive before doing anything else. Hopefully, the location is 'hard-wired/coded and it won't be found if the disk image is moved (assuming it will also install from the moved position!). I seriously wonder about Apple's new installation methods, seems designed way below the "least common denominator," if you know what I mean... rolleyes.gif Or downright half-baked; hiding the Users Library but leaving the root one visible? OK, it does require a password to make changes in the latter, but seriously...I thought that other one was MINE!!! rant.gif wacko.gif laughhard.gif
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2011, 03:17:28 PM »
Jim, the installer that you'll find in your Applications folder (should you ever get around to installing Lion, wink.gif ) is not a .dmg file. To find that and save it, follow these instructions:


- After downloading, there will be an item in your Applications folder called "Install Mac OS X Lion"
- Right-click that item and choose "Show Package Contents"
- Go to the SharedSupport folder
- the item InstallESD.dmg is the Lion installer - copy it to a USB drive or DVD and use it to install on other machines

Or follow these instructions and then follow the ones I linked to above to create your own installer DVD or USB stick. Done. It really isn't hard. And if it saves me $30 to do it myself, fine and dandy. smile.gif

As for the User Library being invisible, it's a bit silly, if you ask me, but exceedingly easy to fix once and for all. Simply open Terminal and type in (without quotes, of course) "chflags nohidden ~/Library" - enter admin pw if prompted. Done - it's now permanently visible. There are other temporary visibility options, but why bother with those? I find it funny that Adobe, who have posted a tech note on this, advise only "advanced" users to use the Terminal method. Actually, I find it funny that ADOBE have even posted a tech note on this - Apple haven't as far as I know! :roll eyes:

Given the number of articles on this issue, it will be interesting to see if Apple react in any way by either making it a preference option or just putting it back to the way it was before (visible) in future releases.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2011, 03:44:39 PM »
Forgot to mention, I am now running Lion on this MBP and so far so good. Haven't done a full explore though. Did change the scrolling direction - although that wasn't a deal breaker - I could have gotten used to it quite easily I think. The auto correct/complete as I'm typing is nice. So far it's only jumped to the wrong conclusion a few times. It's nice for those times when you type "fo" instead of "of" or "hte" instead of "the."

It remains to be seen whether I'll find LaunchPad useful or not. I suspect Mission Control may be useful when I get up to my usual tricks of having 25 apps open at once!!

The new Mail is ok, once I changed it back to Classic view. wink.gif I found having snippets of each email visible not terribly useful. I DO like the conversation feature! So often I've found myself scrolling through looking for other bits of an email conversation - particularly for those who don't seem to realize that including the original email in a response is actually quite useful. rolleyes.gif

Safari is nice - my only complaint is that they seem to have made the greys on the toolbar too similar to one another - so it's more difficult to tell what buttons are "greyed out" and which are actually useable. I can't really judge whether it's substantially faster or not as the connection here at the cottage is considerably slower than the one at home (6Mbps vs 32) although it seems pretty snappy.

And that's as far as I've gotten yet. I decided that since the software for my EyeOne will be updated to work with Lion in August, and it seemed to be the only thing I'd actually miss having the use of, that I'd get on with the exploration of the new OS. I only just got the EyeOne last month, so I can live without it for a few weeks - and I hadn't tried it yet on the MBP anyway.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2011, 04:04:38 PM »
If you are using EyeOne Match2, as am I, the Lion-compatible version is scheduled for release in September, not August (at least according to xrite).
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« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2011, 04:15:01 PM »
QUOTE(jchuzi @ Jul 26 2011, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I you are using EyeOne Match2, as am I, the Lion-compatible version is scheduled for release in September, not August (at least according to xrite).


Yes - right you are, Jon. I must be confusing it with something else, because I did read that page you linked to! Anyway - not a biggie, as I don't anticipate any critical photo printing between now and then. My monitor at home is calibrated and I haven't updated to Lion there yet, and won't be home for any extended period until the beginning of September. In the mean time, I'll get comfortable with the newest big cat on my MBP, and find out if there are any show-stoppers. smile.gif
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2011, 06:28:01 PM »
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the item InstallESD.dmg is the Lion installer - copy it to a USB drive or DVD and use it to install on other machines
I thought that's what I said, "...move the disk image file somewhere..." You're just 'showing off' because you actually know what you're talking about! tongue.gif laughhard.gif I'm assuming I'll still have to do some downloading, however, if the new iMac coming already has Lion installed. I doubt that anyone at Apple would be so kind as to save that one disk image (you know, the one I was talking about!). dntknw.gif

This whole 'download-install-and-wipe-out-the-installer' scheme seems a little on the diabolical side, anyway. I suppose Apple is concerned about check sums and all or they want to protect their intellectual property, but if installing simply means making a copy of that disk image, I don't understand what they are 'securing.' dntknw.gif And it certainly won't make anyone happy when they decide they need to take it back to an Apple Store and wait another few hours... Even if they have a fast connection, it will be several magnitudes slower than a DVD. I agree, it sounds 'stupid simple' but it also sounds simply stupid, IMHO. laughhard.gif
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2011, 09:13:42 PM »
iMac Intel i3 21.5” OS 10.6.8, (10.7 ?)

Downloaded OS 10.7 and installed it on a separate External Disc.

Of course I did not make a copy of the .dmg file so that i can't make a reinstall unless I pay again another 30 bucks.

I don't know if I'm going to make use of it anyway if it performs the way it does now.
- I can't move the Dock to the RH side of the screen, only to the bottom or to the LH side.
- It may be finger (or brain) problem, but I can't make a "Save as" of a simple TextEdit file.
- I can't disable the F1 to F4 keys so that I can reprogram them to do something else.
- And of course most of my apps don't work since most of them are PPC apps.

And besides my OS 10.6.8 runs like "a son of a gun" and rarely crashes. So i think it's going
to be a "Hello 10.7, Goodbye 10.7" and return to my faithful 10.6.8.
Positive and negative comments are welcome.

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PS No problem with the "reverse scrolling"
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 10:42:23 PM »
As I understand it, you can re-download Lion as often as you want, just like any other purchase at the App Store. I would certainly give that a shot since you've lost the actual installer part that you'd need to do any re-installing. Anything you purchase at the App Store should display a "Installed" label since it recognizes your computer with the Apple ID and password, not by actually looking at your HD as Software Update does.
    - Can't help with the Dock positioning as I don't have Lion, yet.
    - I believe the command you need to use is now called "Duplicate." You can then rename the file whatever you want. Lion has auto-saving built in, so the SaveAs... function is now handled by creating duplicates.
    - Are you saying there is no more Keyboard Pref Panel?
    - The lack of PPC support has been long reported (and rumored even longer!). And even most of my Intel apps have been offering free updates to make the gesture inputs usable with Lion. I gave up on Quicken before the first of the year. So far, that's the only major app I've had to replace. The other one that would have delayed my move to Lion is now running as Beta with Intel code (URLM Pro). clap.gif Sometimes we have to leave older apps behind when they can't keep pace with the hardware. I think the last PPC Mac was built in 2006? Of course, if Leopard/SNow Leopard is running and serving you well... dntknw.gif
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2011, 02:05:20 AM »
I benefitted (in my amateur status) today by another of Harv's sterling suggestions . . . I have scored a number of those in the past 11+ years, thank goodness!

To get an idea what your applications may look like in 10.7, enter System Profiler––>Sotware––>Applications and sort by Kind. That will tell you what PowerPC Apps may have to be upgraded if you want to continue to use them, e.g. I don't want to lose my AppZapper or FileMaker!

Thanks, Harv.
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