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« on: September 08, 2011, 12:02:06 PM »
http://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/1password/id443987910?mt=12

Not sure how long the half-price sale lasts, but if you don't have this terrific app for managing passwords, I highly recommend getting it. Note: this version (3.9) is for LION only. It also gives you a free upgrade to version 4 when it's released. smile.gif

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The 3.9 version available in the App store is for Lion only AND it's not available from Agile's site or the update mechanism within existing versions of 1Password.

The 3.9 update from the App store will allow you to update to version 4 for free, but you do have to pay for 3.9. Agile hasn't decided yet what the update to version 4 process will be for those who don't buy 3.9. For info on the differences between 3.8.3 and 3.9 etc. it's a good idea to read:

http://forum.agilebits.com/index.php?/topi...-mac-app-store/

In the past they have had upgrades between the full number versions for the same price as 3.9, (I went from 1Password 2 to 1Password 3 for $19.95, for instance) but there's no guarantee from Agile right now that this will hold true for those going from 3.8.3 to 4. Version 4 will only be available via the App store as well, and it will also be Lion only.
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« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 06:42:53 PM »
I have had it for about two years. Excellent program, until the disaster with the changes in Safari and getting ready for Lion (about two months ago); so why should that affect SL? It still has not worked properly since that time. I have been on their forums to no avail. It does not recognize any web site password I have ever stored from two years of use. Even when I add it as a new password, it does so under a different name than already in the program, or it gives me two copies of everything. It is easier now to use a word processing program with passwords, just as I had done for years prior to this. I didn’t think a program could go down this fast, this far. Very very disappointed in what has happened. I upgraded to 3.8.5 today because that is the last pre-Lion update. But I doubt I will ever get 1Password again. sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 08:04:14 PM »
Have you actually asked a question in their forums? They seem pretty responsive to problems that users post. An example:

http://forum.agilebits.com/index.php?/topi...latest-updates/

I'm a little confused - you say when you add a new password, it does so under a different name than already in the program. That behavior makes sense actually - I've got some passwords in mine that got added more than once (sometimes because they changed - and some because they're for banking sites with different account logins, but all at the same bank) and each one is as a different entry with a different name. If they all had the same name then you would just overwrite the old/existing PW, which in the case of the bank logins, would NOT be the desired behavior. I need to tidy my password collection up a bit, because there are some out of date PWs still in there, but haven't gotten to it.

Not recognizing passwords that are already saved is another issue entirely and you should ask for help in resolving it if you haven't already. (If you have asked, post the link so we can see what the response has been and perhaps try to help)
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 10:01:30 PM »
That's very interesting. Even the "Check for updates" in the app only shows 3.5.8 as the latest version. Their own site says nothing about v4 being available. Frankly, I'm growing impatient with the lack of development skills showing up with the app. They made a major change in how it functions with Safari, claiming Apple has forced the changes. That may or may not be true, how would I know? rolleyes.gif
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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 10:32:33 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Sep 8 2011, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you actually asked a question in their forums? They seem pretty responsive to problems that users post. An example:

Yes, I asked on the forums, two different times. I did some trouble shooting to get a little of it to work. But never did resolve it. And just this week asked another question about the following problem. Nothing.
QUOTE(Paddy @ Sep 8 2011, 08:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm a little confused - you say when you add a new password, it does so under a different name than already in the program. That behavior makes sense actually - I've got some passwords in mine that got added more than once (sometimes because they changed - and some because they're for banking sites with different account logins, but all at the same bank) and each one is as a different entry with a different name. If they all had the same name then you would just overwrite the old/existing PW, which in the case of the bank logins, would NOT be the desired behavior. I need to tidy my password collection up a bit, because there are some out of date PWs still in there, but haven't gotten to it.

Not recognizing passwords that are already saved is another issue entirely and you should ask for help in resolving it if you haven't already. (If you have asked, post the link so we can see what the response has been and perhaps try to help)

I have had problems with both issues. For instance, before the July debacle, 1Password had a log in for this site under “techsurvivors.” But then when I tried to access the site and log in it would not recognize it, and asked to create a new log in, which was then saved as “www.techsurvivors.net.”

Thanks for the help. Unfortunately I am pastor of a church with many commitments right now, plus I am a seminary president who has to fly Monday to Minneapolis to interview pastoral candidates next week, plus on Monday night while there to start teaching via internet, seminary classes. And I edit our national magazine. I am at the point where time for this kind of trouble shooting is not available.

I require very dependable software (as I am sure most people do). For me, the top programs in that category are Accordance, Mellel, Tinderbox, Scrivener, and Nisus Writer Pro which fill most of my needs. 1Password had been in that category before July. Not any more.

If I have time later this month, I may try again.
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« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 10:14:26 AM »
WARNING: Pontification Ahead!!!

The "name" the 1PW entry is saved as is usually the highest level domain name (www.techsurvivors.net for example). All the information the app can use is in the html, which is plain text, of course. Your "name=xyz"/"ID=xyz"/whatever=xyz and the password are usually in a simple html form. A form has several standard items in each entry request. One item is the "name" or "label" for that item, the "xyz" is what the server stores as your entries. 1PW simply reads the html text, just like a human can, and captures identifying 'label' as well as your entry for that item, be it name/label/whatever. If the site changes anything that is saved in 1PW (such as the change in tech survivors domain name some years ago), the name of the label, etc., your 1PW entry will simply not work.

Of course, you can edit the actual data that 1PW uses, including the name of the label. But I highly recommend changing the name that appears in the list of possible log-ins list to something completely different than the normal domain name. Including a date or other identifying info will greatly aid in selecting the correct entry for any site. You can do this the first time you log in to a site that doesn't already have a 1PW entry, of course. But you can also do this when the 1PW entry fails and you have to enter the info a second time. Usually, you are offered a chance to create a new entry or change a current one. Obviously, changing any current one is better, since 1PW keeps a record of the dates/times the info was edited.

1PW has been one of the best working and useful apps I've ever used. One of the developers/employees was a local acquaintance. He is no longer working there, as far as I know. Other things have changed at Agile, I'm sure. Some of it may be caused by Apple's security improvements, API's or something else. I do know that they are extremely particular about what an app can do as far as communicating/changing data in other apps, at least in apps that it allows in the (Mac) App Store.

The above info is not a request for you to make modifications to your 1PW data. It is not a defense of Agile. It is not even an explanation of what is wrong with 1PW. It is simply an attempt to explain that many apps have to look at what is available from sources that they have no control over. It may help to stop and realize that these machines we so take for granted, are nothing short of 'miraculous,' (in the secular sense!). wink.gif That we become so upset (and I certainly fit that description!) by the operation of such an inanimate object reflects the faster pace we all try to live and the tools we use to accomplish that task.

You mentioned at least three different word processors that you depend on. Is that a reflection of the fact that none of them do something that only one of the others does better? And, word processing is a much, much more developed 'technology.' They have been around almost from the beginning of computers. Saving and encrypting passwords and inserting them into another app is much newer and, in my opinion, much more complicated than using the built-in services of the OS to make words look and behave in certain ways.

My only suggestion is to notify Agile that you will no longer be recommending their app and that you return to the built-in password capabilities of the OS, being aware that you will lose one level of security in the process. Nothing speaks louder to developers than loss of reputation and word-of-mouth recommendations. Thinking.gif

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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2011, 12:15:52 PM »
I will give it one more go. If I have time during this travel period I will try to tackle it again.

Thanks, ABD and Paddy, for the encouragement. smile.gif
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2011, 05:28:49 PM »
I have decided to try 1Password. One thing I haven't figured out yet is how to use it with more than one user on the same computer. Has anyone here got that working?
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2011, 07:12:25 PM »
I posted your question in their forums. But I also opened a tab about the new location for 1PW stuff and it appears that your needs can be met.

My post to them mentioned this comment in the FAQ about the MAS version:
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Only one (1) 1Password data file allowed. You cannot switch between data files dynamically, either through 1Password preferences or by using the Finder.
A literal reading of the first sentence seems to say the 1PW data is in one file/place/location. I mentioned in my post that it is somewhat confusing the mention "only one file" and then to talk about switching between multiple files. wallbash.gif

I think I found the answer in the FAQ about installing the MAS version when the older, Agile site version is already installed. That FAQ mentions where the new app will place that data file:
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The important thing to keep in mind is that the Mac App Store version is sandboxed and has very limited access to your file system. It can only store data in its Container folder (~/Library/Containers/com.agilebits.onepassword-osx-helper/Data/Documents/1Password.agilekeychain) or in Dropbox.
The key item, that I think will allow ,multiple users on one machine, is that tiny little "~"! That is the short-hand symbol for the users Home folder, of course. So if I'm reading that path correctly, each user/account holder on a machine, can have their own data file/Container/sandbox.

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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2011, 10:52:28 PM »
I read a little bit about the MAS version. I'll have to look into it more.

The one location for the data file is met by using DropBox which seems to work pretty seamlessly with 1P. I tried launching the app in my wife's login. It sees the data files but it won't accept the password. More later when I check things out with the MAS version.

Thanks for the help!
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« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2011, 09:46:57 AM »
I'm not sure DropBox can be used by more than one person per machine. If it can I would think it would have to be setup specifically by the user of a specific account. Since it is a free service, it should be easy to do that.

It's a basic problem of how to use multiple accounts each with their own password and probably not having Admin powers. While we usually make all apps available to all users, that is not writ in stone. But the whole point of each user having a "home" folder is to protect that users data/documents/preferences/etc. And that includes their own Library where the "Container" used by 1P can store things.

If I get some time this afternoon, I may set up 1P on the only other account on my new machine and see if 1P is 'smart' enough to know how to handle it. wink.gif
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« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2011, 08:08:41 PM »
I justs got it to work on my wife's login!
 
When I installed 1P there was a problem with it accepting my password until I ran the command line (chmod -N /var/db/launchd.db/com.apple.launchd.peruser.`id -u`/overrides.plist) in Terminal.

I did the same thing while logged in as my wife and it worked again… so far. I still have to go back and login on my account to see if things went south.
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« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2011, 08:59:05 PM »
After I posted my response above, I posted at their forum with my theory about where the data files are stored. Here's the response from one of their employees:
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It is correct. I am just not sure if it is any different from 1Password 3.8 in this case. The '~' in the path means that it is stored in the current user's home folder — every user will have his own file.

I was also able to use the same copy of 1Password under a different user after purchasing it once from the Mac App Store. Overall, it seems that Mac App Store is much more flexible when it comes to Family/Multi-user set up.

I'm not sure either the employee or I had considered the password for 1Password! smile.gif in any case, the app 'lives' in the OS Applications area that is normally available to all accounts. But the data files/keychains/etc. 'live' in each users Home folder/sandbox inside their own Library folder (which is hidden by default, of course).

Because the app only uses one iteration of itself, I would assume that the password it needs would be the same for each user. Of course, that password has no relationship to the password for each users account. So I either don't understand what looks like a permissions problem that you fixed or why you had problems opening the app unless you were using two different passwords; one for you and one for your wife. I will suggest that you both use the same password for the app and make sure it is not the password each uses to log in to the user account.

BTW, the employee also mentioned, in another post, that Dropbox could not be used by more than one user. I think that may be because Dropbox runs only in an Administrators account, which is not usually the way a secondary users account would be set up. Plus, the data file in that Dropbox would be the Administrators info, not the secondary users, even if that user had Admin privileges. I am making sense? dntknw.gif

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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2011, 11:22:05 PM »
I did visit the forum at 1Password earlier and now I will go back put my two cents worth in.

Thanks for your help!
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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2011, 12:21:05 PM »
I have spent quite a bit of time troubleshooting. And it seems with the latest update, it seems that most of the problems have been resolved. biggrin.gif

But do I dare try Lion over aDSL line? wink.gif
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