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« on: March 10, 2012, 06:16:25 PM »

Dear Readers-Can anyone advise what could have caused my brand new MacBook Air to go into a total freeze up after I installed 4 new software updates? As it is Saturday and I live in a small Midwest town, the Apple Store techs were not available and I had to check the new computer in for repair when the techs return Monday. Any ideas or information on this matter is greatly appreciated.Sincerely-Marilyn in Ohio (feel free to email me at [removed by kimmer for security]).
I also am new to this group so I apologize if I did not post this in the proper place.
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« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2012, 06:58:37 PM »
Welcome, Marilyn. Pleased to have you here at TS.

This is the correct forum for tech support, and hopefully someone will be along soon with either an answer or more questions to help track down the problem. I don't have a MacBook Air, so I'm no help.

It always helps to give us as much info as you can:
  • OS you are running?
  • What software updates (if you can remember) did you just install?
  • Have you recently added/upgraded anything else?

Also, I edited your post to remove your email address as this is an open forum and your email address could possibly be seen by thousands of folks either through here or search engines, and that's not always a good thing. Plus it's helpful for folks to post their answers here as it might jog someone else with more help, and might be useful to someone else down the road.

Again, welcome. Hope we can give you an answer shortly.

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« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2012, 09:20:17 PM »
First, Welcome Aboard, Shrinkmfs [Marilyn]!

You might want to try some simple trouble-shooting procedures. First, be sure the Air is connected to the AC adaptor.
1. Try starting up in "Safe Mode"
Here are the steps from an Apple publication:
To start up into Safe Mode (to Safe Boot), do this:

1. Be sure your Mac is shut down.
2. Press the power button.
3. Immediately after you hear the startup tone, hold the Shift key. The Shift key should be held as soon as possible after the startup tone, but not before the tone.
4. Release the Shift key when you see the gray Apple icon and the progress indicator (looks like a spinning gear).
During startup in Mac OS X v10.4 through Mac OS X v10.6.8, you will see "Safe Boot" on the login window, which appears even if you normally log in automatically.

2. Try reseting PRAM
Steps from an Apple publication:
Resetting PRAM and NVRAM
1. Shut down the computer.
2. Locate the following keys on the keyboard: Command, Option, P, and R. You will need to hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.
3. Turn on the computer.
4. Press and hold the Command-Option-P-R keys. You must press this key combination before the gray screen appears.
5. Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time.
6. Release the keys.
Your computer's PRAM and the NVRAM are reset to the default values. The clock settings may be reset to a default date on some models.

Please report any results from the above steps. Also, please let us know exactly what you see and/or hear when you attempt to start up the Air.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 04:52:31 PM »
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QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 10 2012, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First, Welcome Aboard, Shrinkmfs [Marilyn]!You might want to try some simple trouble-shooting procedures. First, be sure the Air is connected to the AC adaptor.
1. Try starting up in "Safe Mode"
Here are the steps from an Apple publication:To start up into Safe Mode (to Safe Boot), do this:1. Be sure your Mac is shut down.2. Press the power button.3. Immediately after you hear the startup tone, hold the Shift key. The Shift key should be held as soon as possible after the startup tone, but not before the tone.4. Release the Shift key when you see the gray Apple icon and the progress indicator (looks like a spinning gear).During startup in Mac OS X v10.4 through Mac OS X v10.6.8, you will see "Safe Boot" on the login window, which appears even if you normally log in automatically.
2. Try reseting PRAM
Steps from an Apple publication:Resetting PRAM and NVRAM1. Shut down the computer.2. Locate the following keys on the keyboard: Command, Option, P, and R. You will need to hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.3. Turn on the computer.4. Press and hold the Command-Option-P-R keys. You must press this key combination before the gray screen appears.5. Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time.6. Release the keys.Your computer's PRAM and the NVRAM are reset to the default values. The clock settings may be reset to a default date on some models.
Please report any results from the above steps. Also, please let us know exactly what you see and/or hear when you attempt to start up the Air.
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QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 10 2012, 11:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
First, Welcome Aboard, Shrinkmfs [Marilyn]!You might want to try some simple trouble-shooting procedures. First, be sure the Air is connected to the AC adaptor.
1. Try starting up in "Safe Mode"
Here are the steps from an Apple publication:To start up into Safe Mode (to Safe Boot), do this:1. Be sure your Mac is shut down.2. Press the power button.3. Immediately after you hear the startup tone, hold the Shift key. The Shift key should be held as soon as possible after the startup tone, but not before the tone.4. Release the Shift key when you see the gray Apple icon and the progress indicator (looks like a spinning gear).During startup in Mac OS X v10.4 through Mac OS X v10.6.8, you will see "Safe Boot" on the login window, which appears even if you normally log in automatically.
2. Try reseting PRAM
Steps from an Apple publication:Resetting PRAM and NVRAM1. Shut down the computer.2. Locate the following keys on the keyboard: Command, Option, P, and R. You will need to hold these keys down simultaneously in step 4.3. Turn on the computer.4. Press and hold the Command-Option-P-R keys. You must press this key combination before the gray screen appears.5. Hold the keys down until the computer restarts and you hear the startup sound for the second time.6. Release the keys.Your computer's PRAM and the NVRAM are reset to the default values. The clock settings may be reset to a default date on some models.
Please report any results from the above steps. Also, please let us know exactly what you see and/or hear when you attempt to start up the Air.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 04:59:47 PM »
Thank you so very much for your incredibly detailed reply and prompt help. I cannot thank you enough. I was so concerned I took the unit over to the local Apple store earlier -no easy feat due to distance involved. They said the tech people won't be in until tomorrow. If I do not hear back from them at a reasonable time, I am picking up the computer and trying what you listed as I have printed out your instructions. The  Apple salesman who was there did say there was a "conflict " of some kind when he checked it with a diagnostic tool.
 Again, thanks a million!! I will post back with whatever happens and I truly appreciate your being there for people like me.(also kind thanks to the moderator for her help and kind comments as well). java script:add_smilie(%22:)%22,%22smid_13%22)
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2012, 08:44:43 PM »
The details were not mine, I just copied and pasted the info from a couple of Apple Support pages. I wasn't sure you could even start up the Air to get on-line. The "Safe mode" startup often times eliminates some 'conflicts' because it starts up with nothing except Apple files/code. If it starts up OK that way, you can be fairly sure there is something added by a third-party app that is causing the problem.

However, both the procedures were mainly to determine that you could start the Air. Period. Your description sounded more like it froze just after doing some updates. I'm still not sure exactly when that was; during the next startup (which often is required by some System updates) or during the updating process itself.

Hope they can find the culprit(s). Sometimes simply re-installing an update will be all that is required. The problem here is that you made multiple updates, so we don't really know which one is or may have been the problematic one. In the future, I'd suggest making only one major update at a time. Especially an update that will require a Restart. There's usually no need to do more than that. And you can use the machine for a few days (even a week!) to see if anything has been adversely affected (usually meaning some non-Apple app you may need!). I usually wait at least a week or two before using any System update. Even Apple kan maek a misteak! eek2.gif And I'd rather let someone else find that out than me! laughhard.gif
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 05:54:06 PM »
Status update on the "solution" (pasted here with Marilyn's permission)


Dear kind Techsurvivors onboard here-
Thank you all again for your kind help and interest. Today was an upsetting day. The Apple Store -that is a tiny one here in the Midwest-did not even bother to call me -but I did call them around 2 PM. They told me that the unit was indeed defective-and that were in the process of sending the new unit back to Apple for new parts.

I immediately told them I did not want it sent back for repair as it is a brand new unit-5 days old. I stated that I had a MacCare plan for it and that I understood (incorrectly by the way) that Apple would replace it. I picked up the unit and got paperwork indicating it was a defective unit.

I proceeded to call Apple. They informed me that since I had purchased the unit through Amazon. com that I had to send it back to Amazon. I waited for a good 20 minutes before I finally hung up. I was in the process of calling Amazon returns when the MAC phone rep called to leave me a message that I had to call Amazon to return it.

Amazon was wonderful-they immediately printed up a return label and said I would get a full refund since it was defective and I had proof.

Then to top it all off, I called Apple again to ask about the Apple Care plan I just purchased and does it transfer over when I get a new unit. The woman went into a big talk about how I would have to get Amazon to fax them the information about what happened, yada, yada. I was not happy with that response as I was ridiculous. At that point I called Amazon again, and they said also return the Apple Care plan for a full refund.

So I give Amazon 100% customer service,and not so hot today for Apple. I guess I can understand them not taking back a unit purchased elsewhere, but the fact it was only 5 days old and the big hassle and wait on the phone to get an answer-plus the care plan aggravation, I am pretty disappointed in them.

Thanks a million for everything! You all are great.

*Now I have about $1500 worth of credit with gift cards at Amazon. I won't get another MacBook Air-but I probably will get another MacBook pro as a back up computer instead. Any suggestions on this are more than appreciated.

Sincerest regards-Marilyn

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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2012, 12:35:34 PM »
QUOTE(kimmer @ Mar 12 2012, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
*Now I have about $1500 worth of credit with gift cards at Amazon. I won't get another MacBook Air-but I probably will get another MacBook pro as a back up computer instead. Any suggestions on this are more than appreciated.

Sincerest regards-Marilyn



I guess YMMV, but since the prices are all dictated by Apple, I would always make my first choice of places to purchase  being  Apple itself. Either a mortar and brick store if one is handy or on line from the Apple web page. 24 hour shipping, etc.  I have been doing this for years and with only one exception the support has been wonderful. (The old G5 capacitor problem.  They fixed it 3 times and passed on the 4th)

The macbook pro's are great and travel very well, we have 2 of the 13" guys, both purchased from Apple as "refurbs".  Same support as new and substantial discounts.

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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2012, 01:10:04 PM »
If you had registered your AppleCare, the place of purchase should be irrelevant. However, I suspect their first choice is almost always repair rather than replacement. I'm glad Amazon gave you such good service but I've never had anything but superior service from Apple, either. So, you've saved some frustrations, but you are still without the second computer, and we still don't know what the problem was/is. That info is helpful for future and even current trouble-shooting. Not that it might have been anything you could have fixed, but just knowing the steps taken in trouble-shooting and their results is very useful info. wink.gif

While I usually buy hardware directly from Apple, I usually buy AppleCare from LA Computer who seems to always have the lowest prices on it. I once bought it through eBay (with no problems) but I consider that source a much bigger risk when buying anything of value. wink.gif
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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2012, 01:22:34 PM »
My question is:

Is all AppleCare created equal? It should be if it is truly "AppleCare".

But sometimes, it is not, but an "AppleCare" look-alike.

That happened to me several years ago when I purchased a Mac from one of those on-line stores (not Amazon).

When I had a problem, the service came out of N. Canton (about 20-30 miles away).

Altho the service was good, but that didn't prevent the trepidations before the service was performed.

BUT, if it is true AppleCare, then Apple will (or at least should) cover any problems.

I buy my Macs, either new or re-furbed, from Apple.

There is no way I would ever buy a Mac, or other Apple product from eBay.

YMMV

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2012, 04:22:06 PM »
"AppleCare" is simply a box with several sheets of small print detailing the limits of the Warranty. But one of the items is a Registration number that must be given to Apple on the AppleCare Registration page. Once that is done, you will get a verification that the item is covered. You can also visit a page that shows all items that you have registered and the end date of any warranty (the regular one or the extended one). If what you buy does not require or provide this registration number, you done bought a pig in a poke!' (to put it rural legalese)! wink.gif

My wife has had excellent results with eBay, but she's never bought any electronics. While some of the items are rather expensive, the sellers have excellent evaluations. Sometimes she even gets more than she has ordered! Last time she ordered 9 plates because the seller didn't have 12 that she wanted. She actually got 12 even though she'd only paid for the 9! She emailed the guy but he said not to bother sending more money! I'm sure he's making a profit but he seems just as concerned about keeping customers! OTOH, he may have stolen the stuff and doesn't want to "make any waves!" laughhard.gif
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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2012, 04:59:36 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 13 2012, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"AppleCare" is simply a box with several sheets of small print detailing the limits of the Warranty. But one of the items is a Registration number that must be given to Apple on the AppleCare Registration page. Once that is done, you will gat a verification that the item is covered. You can also visit a page that shows all items that you have registered and the end date of any warranty (the regular one or the extended one). If what you buy does not require or provide this registration number, you done bought a pig in a poke!' (to put it rural legalese)! ;)My wife has had excellent results with eBay, but she's never bought any electronics. While some of the items are rather expensive, the sellers have excellent evaluations. Sometimes she even gets more than she has ordered! Last time she ordered 9 plates because the seller didn't have 12 that she wanted. She actually got 12 even though she'd only paid for the 9! She emailed the guy but he said not to bother sending more money! I'm sure he's making a profit but he seems just as concerned about keeping customers! OTOH, he may have stolen the stuff and doesn't want to "make any waves!" laughhard.gif
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 13 2012, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you had registered your AppleCare, the place of purchase should be irrelevant. However, I suspect their first choice is almost always repair rather than replacement. I'm glad Amazon gave you such good service but I've never had anything but superior service from Apple, either. So, you've saved some frustrations, but you are still without the second computer, and we still don't know what the problem was/is. That info is helpful for future and even current trouble-shooting. Not that it might have been anything you could have fixed, but just knowing the steps taken in trouble-shooting and their results is very useful info. ;)While I usually buy hardware directly from Apple, I usually buy AppleCare from LA Computer who seems to always have the lowest prices on it. I once bought it through eBay (with no problems) but I consider that source a much bigger risk when buying anything of value. wink.gif
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 13 2012, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you had registered your AppleCare, the place of purchase should be irrelevant. However, I suspect their first choice is almost always repair rather than replacement. I'm glad Amazon gave you such good service but I've never had anything but superior service from Apple, either. So, you've saved some frustrations, but you are still without the second computer, and we still don't know what the problem was/is. That info is helpful for future and even current trouble-shooting. Not that it might have been anything you could have fixed, but just knowing the steps taken in trouble-shooting and their results is very useful info. ;)While I usually buy hardware directly from Apple, I usually buy AppleCare from LA Computer who seems to always have the lowest prices on it. I once bought it through eBay (with no problems) but I consider that source a much bigger risk when buying anything of value. wink.gif
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QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 13 2012, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"AppleCare" is simply a box with several sheets of small print detailing the limits of the Warranty. But one of the items is a Registration number that must be given to Apple on the AppleCare Registration page. Once that is done, you will gat a verification that the item is covered. You can also visit a page that shows all items that you have registered and the end date of any warranty (the regular one or the extended one). If what you buy does not require or provide this registration number, you done bought a pig in a poke!' (to put it rural legalese)! ;)My wife has had excellent results with eBay, but she's never bought any electronics. While some of the items are rather expensive, the sellers have excellent evaluations. Sometimes she even gets more than she has ordered! Last time she ordered 9 plates because the seller didn't have 12 that she wanted. She actually got 12 even though she'd only paid for the 9! She emailed the guy but he said not to bother sending more money! I'm sure he's making a profit but he seems just as concerned about keeping customers! OTOH, he may have stolen the stuff and doesn't want to "make any waves!" laughhard.gif
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 13 2012, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you had registered your AppleCare, the place of purchase should be irrelevant. However, I suspect their first choice is almost always repair rather than replacement. I'm glad Amazon gave you such good service but I've never had anything but superior service from Apple, either. So, you've saved some frustrations, but you are still without the second computer, and we still don't know what the problem was/is. That info is helpful for future and even current trouble-shooting. Not that it might have been anything you could have fixed, but just knowing the steps taken in trouble-shooting and their results is very useful info. ;)While I usually buy hardware directly from Apple, I usually buy AppleCare from LA Computer who seems to always have the lowest prices on it. I once bought it through eBay (with no problems) but I consider that source a much bigger risk when buying anything of value. wink.gif
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Mar 13 2012, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
If you had registered your AppleCare, the place of purchase should be irrelevant. However, I suspect their first choice is almost always repair rather than replacement. I'm glad Amazon gave you such good service but I've never had anything but superior service from Apple, either. So, you've saved some frustrations, but you are still without the second computer, and we still don't know what the problem was/is. That info is helpful for future and even current trouble-shooting. Not that it might have been anything you could have fixed, but just knowing the steps taken in trouble-shooting and their results is very useful info. ;)While I usually buy hardware directly from Apple, I usually buy AppleCare from LA Computer who seems to always have the lowest prices on it. I once bought it through eBay (with no problems) but I consider that source a much bigger risk when buying anything of value. wink.gif
QUOTE(Jack W @ Mar 13 2012, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My question is:Is all AppleCare created equal? It should be if it is truly "AppleCare".But sometimes, it is not, but an "AppleCare" look-alike.That happened to me several years ago when I purchased a Mac from one of those on-line stores (not Amazon).When I had a problem, the service came out of N. Canton (about 20-30 miles away).Altho the service was good, but that didn't prevent the trepidations before the service was performed.BUT, if it is true AppleCare, then Apple will (or at least should) cover any problems.I buy my Macs, either new or re-furbed, from Apple.There is no way I would ever buy a Mac, or other Apple product from eBay.YMMVJack

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2012, 05:10:49 PM »

 UPDATE: 3-13-2012
Dear Board Members,
 Thank you all for your interest, support  and comments.In reply to some of the issues raised I want to clarify and answer them here as best as I can:
1. I purchased both the MacBook Air and the Apple Care brand NEW from Amazon.com.( One of the Apple reps did tell me that Amazon is one of their
"approved vendors". )Nothing was ever purchased from Ebay or second hand here. I know better than that.
2. The Apple Care plan was indeed valid. it was not an issue of validity that the Apple Care rep was questioning me about at all. What was involved was that she said since i already had registered the defective unit with my Apple Care, and when I would get a new replacement unit, she said I could NOT again use the same Apple Care plan again . This was after explaining that the unit was defective after less than 5 days of use, through no fault of mine, and that I wanted to register the new replacement MacBook Air with that same plan when it arrived soon (at that point I was still was going to get another new MacBook Air replacement). I did not think that was reasonable at all.
 3. As for what was wrong with the unit to begin with, the registered Mac dealer I took it into just stated that it needed "Major modular repair". As I am not a professional computer tech, i don't know anymore than that.
  I hope this addresses some of the concerns and queries mentioned. I also was not taking any frustrations out on Apple. Actually I was pretty calm when i initially contacted them. Afterwards however, it is fortunate that I am not a drinker because I would have hit the bottle pretty heavily.
  Gratitude to all-Marilyn


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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 06:44:00 PM »
Marilyn,

I have no intuition to argue with you about your experiences with Apple. I would, however, like to explain why I made some of my comments. And some of them were not even addressed to you but other posters on this thread. That is normal at Techsurvivors and sometimes it gets very confusing trying to follow the discussion! I'm probably one of the causes of much of that confusion!! blush-anim-cl.gif

I think there may have been some confusion about who and how the "replacement" item was to be obtained. I thought you said Apple wanted to repair the original Air. That is usually their initial method. And that would, indeed, be covered by AppleCare. But when you decided to return the Air for a refund, graciously offered by Amazon, there was nothing for the registered AppleCare to cover. Thus it became null and void. It applies to a particular hardware item and there are specific plans fro several different items. That is, you can get AppleCare for an iMac, the Air, the MacBookPro, for example but they will all be differently priced because of the different environments they operate in and the expenses of repairs. Same goes for iPads, iPods, iPhones. While they can be transferred to new owners of the particular machine, they do not and can not be transferred to another machine, even if it is identical to the original one.

Many people, myself included, often recommend buying the Apple-refurbished products. The reasons being that they have already had 99.9% of any problems found and fixed. Electronics tend to either run forever of fail soon after purchase. Apple's refurbishing saves a bit of money, much more than any price of a new machine from any retailer (including Apple) but the other advantage is that the machines are still eligible for AppleCare!

AppleCare is an extended warranty, not a replacement guarantee. On the other hand, I must say that Apple has often made a replacement available, with or without AppleCare being involved. Often these replacements are offered well after the AppleCare warranty would have covered the item. In that case, obviously, there would be no continued coverage. I have no experience with what happens when an item is replaced, by Apple, during the period covered by AppleCare.

I still think Apple did a bad job of helping you with your problem. But I have had lesser problems badly handled by them, at least once. But that problem was a matter of getting the problem explained (from my end) to some one who could offer the solution (at their end). Eventually, in my case, I went from the "Live chat" system to the email system to a phone call with a real person. I appreciate your ability to avoid becoming angry, I have that particular problem, myself!

Finally, I'm just glad you got back to "square one" and can now move on to more enjoyable pursuits. One of which I hope will be visits to TS! No matter what our experience level, everyone can be a help at some point! wink.gif
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2012, 11:24:39 PM »
Hi Marilyn,

If you didn't have to use your credit with Amazon I'd concur with the suggestion to buy a refurb from Apple.

However Amazon does have good prices, free shipping and (ahem), no tax.

I purchased my MBP as well as one each for my Dad and my sister from Amazon and had no problems. In fact I had expedited shipping on one that they turned around and refunded the postage for some reason...I didn't complain.

Since you were initially interested in an Air, you probably would be quite satisfied with one of the 13" MacBookPros. They actually will give you more for your money than the Air would.  

I also purchased my Applecare from LA Computers since their prices were better than Apple and there is no difference between the two 'plans'.

If you have any more questions, please feel free to ask.


Typed on my iPad so forgive any mistakes...  smile.gif


A Techsurvivors founder