Author Topic: Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL  (Read 8336 times)

Offline RHPConsult

  • TS Addict
  • Posts: 7859
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« on: July 08, 2003, 02:01:21 PM »
Well, they doing' it AGAIN!

Beginning yesterday, and this morning, in messages to a fairly near neighbor, and to Sir Pendragon (who resides far, far across the fruited plain), AOL began dumping/bouncing e-messages from my SBC/DSL connection.

Back came complex bureaucratic "e-descriptions" which, not at all incidentally, failed uttterly as an "explanation" for why they/it are/is doing so.

In a subsequent conversation with SBC's tech folks, I learned that AOL began doing this to the entire SBC domain sometime last week, when I was offline much of the time. I know of no way, short of writing to the Chairman of the Board (which I most certainly will do), of effectively protesting this larceny.

So here I am again, lumped indiscriminately with what AOL terms "notorious spammers". Well, that certainly makes sense!  Back to the hoary principle, 'Tis far, far better that 10,000 innocents suffer than one guilty man go free. Ah, bureaucrats.

I've asked my neighbor-e-correspondent, and Harv when he's free, to inquire of the nitwits presumably in charge at AOL to determine when they will/may begin to show some minimal discernment and have a filter that differentiates between someone who sends 5-8 messages a day to their hallowed ISP, in contrast to 5,000,000.

SBC has one. AOL doesn't care, I assume.  wallbash.gif

Does anyone know of any web sites now established where it might be possible to declare one's feelings - - for the world to see - - about an enterprise that collects monies for services not rendered?  

Of course, that's nothing new to AOL. Several years ago I had to write a number of highly enraged letters to get them to stop billing me . . . it was around 90-120 days later, as I recall . . . after, in wiritng, I had canceled their execrable "service".  upset.gif

Offline sandbox

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 7825
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2003, 03:07:28 AM »
I had them and dumped them, keep getting "comeback" CD's
they make good coasters, and the little tin boxes almost had a useful life in the tools shed! rolleyes.gif

http://www.aolsucks.org/

which turns into

http://www.aolwatch.org/aolwatch9b.htm



this is funny

http://www.megacity.org/blog/archives/000201.php

Offline RHPConsult

  • TS Addict
  • Posts: 7859
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2003, 04:36:42 PM »
Hilarious, Sandbox.

How'd you find these?

THE GOOD NEWS: AOL, apparently, tweaked its filters today. For however long, who knows. We, the innocent bystanders, are grateful for whatever.

 notworthy.gif

Offline Bill

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 4615
    • View Profile
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2003, 04:58:02 PM »
That was FUNNY SB! biggrin.gif smile.gif
Two cans and a string powered by a big mouth

Offline jepinto

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 6195
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2003, 10:17:08 PM »
laugh.gif  laugh.gif SB
Do not fear your enemies.  The worse they can do is kill you.  Do not fear friends.  At worst, they may betray you.
Fear those who do not care; they neither kill nor betray, but betrayal and murder exist because of their silent consent.
~Bruno Jasienski~

Offline Paddy

  • Administrator
  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 13797
    • View Profile
    • https://www.paddyduncan.com
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2003, 11:10:02 PM »
laugh.gif

And another one:

http://www.rachellucas.com/archives/000634.html#000634

http://www.jokesandhumor.com/jokes/268.htmlAOL Subscriber Defections... - not a funny one, but interesting. Just hope this won't result in yet another flood of free AOL disks though...
"If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into committees. That'll do them in." ~Author unknown •iMac 5K, 27" 3.6Ghz i9 (2019) • 16" M1 MBP(2021) • 9.7" iPad Pro • iPhone 13

Offline sandbox

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 7825
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2003, 12:08:17 AM »
Speaking of AOL “comeback CD’s” I just got my second one this week, only this one is in a cardboard box, I guess the shinny tin boxes were a bit expensive.
These guys have money to burn, I haven’t had AOL since Sept. 1998 and whenever they do a mailout I get 3, 1 for the business, for Jane, and for me. I flip the CD’s over and use them for coasters so it’s not a total loss, and if I hang around on this planet long enough I may find another use for them!

Dick, I know the the word “sucks” is sort-of a crude word, but, whenever you find  something that you don’t like type it into google adding “sucks” to it, more than likely you’ll find a webpage dedicated to the abolishment of the product, service, or official. ph34r.gif

Offline pendragon

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 7178
    • View Profile
    • http://www.pendragonservices.com
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2003, 04:58:10 AM »
From what little (darn little) I have learned of late...

Like other (but certainly not all) ISPs, AOL blocks spam partly by identifying mail servers that are sending and/or (even) relaying spam; and then blocks their IP addresses. Every now and then, the blocked server ends up belonging to someone legit. Maybe SBC left a server open (a common practice, but one all deny for obvious reasons) and was victimized by a spammer. Or, maybe AOL just misidentified the offending server.

If SBC left a server open and thus were the genesis of or accomodated the sending of spam, then I have no problem with AOL blocking them. If AOL wrongfully accused SBC, then shame on them.

Harv
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. ~ Voltaire

Offline RHPConsult

  • TS Addict
  • Posts: 7859
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2003, 11:49:33 AM »
My pal, Pendragon, and I have implicitly agreed to disagree about the bandits known as AOL.   B)

The site found by Paddy . . .
Here

is just too, too characteristic of others I have read over the years (and years, and years) not to evidence that it is a corporate policy to lie, in furtherance of stealing, as long as they can get away with it.

For shame, jerks.

Either that, or they have contracted with groups providing "member services" (Ho, Ho, Ho!) who are 1) either being rewarded for bad behavior, or 2) not managed by corporate, or most likely 3) both

WARNING: Don't even try to defend AOL to this injured party (who is also known to carry some kinds of grudges, as does Rachell., above), excepting you, Harv, since you're a really good guy!  clap.gif  B)  Devilish2.gif

Offline sandbox

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 7825
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2003, 12:32:56 PM »
QUOTE
“Their crappiness is immutable and eternal. Plus it's fun to bitch so don't rain on my bitchy parade.”

 clap.gif  thumbup.gif

Offline taliesin

  • TS Addict
  • Posts: 847
    • View Profile
    • http://radio.weblogs.com/0120356/
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2003, 02:35:53 PM »
clap.gif
"Be like water" - become music.

Offline MrsLop

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 630
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2003, 03:56:18 PM »
Hello Dick,

I thought that you might want to know that earthlink will be/is doing something similar in an effort to reduce "spam".  
It is becoming an epidemic among ISP's.

My husband sent me an email concerning a list he is on, with the new policy.

I'll send it to you.


Myrna

Offline tacit

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 1628
    • View Profile
    • http://www.xeromag.com/
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2003, 05:34:13 PM »
In all fairness, it's not just AOL. many other large ISPs and spam-blocking services (such as MAPS--the Mail Abuse Prevention System) have been gunning for SBC recently.

You're a "mushroom"--an innocent bystander caught in the crossfire of a war that does not involve you.

To understand what happened, and why you ended up getting blocked by AOL (and by other ISPs--you just didn't know it), you have to know the background of the war.

SBC (and its affiliates and subsidiaries--PacBell, prodigy, Cingular, and so on) hasn't had a terribly good couple of years. SBC's gross income for 2002 fell by about 5% over 2001, in spite of the fact that Cingular's revenue is up. This has caused many analysts to get a bit gloomy on SBC.

Typically, when most ISPs begin to show slipping revenue, one of the first things they do is trim (or eliminate altogether) their abuse team--the people they pay to read spam reports and cancel spammers' accounts. often, these companies will begin covertly supplying services to spammers as well, because spammers are willing to pay a very high premium to ISPs which will permit them to spam.

SBC has done both.

Starting early this year, SBC began a very quiet policy of permitting large-scale spammers to use SBC mail servers in exchange for service premiums. This has been documented on a number of Web sites here, here, and here (an updated, real-time list of known spammers working from SBC domains).

In fact, SBC has actually hired known spammers to advertise their services (one such sample spam is here, with the trace showing its source to be a notorious spam organization here.

If you read the UseNet newsgroup news.admin.net-abuse, you'll see so many people complaining about floods of UseNet spam originating from SBC sources, and so many reports of abuse complaints by system administrators and ISPs being ignored by SBC, that there is a very real possibility SBC may face what's called a "UseNet Death Penalty." A Usenet Death penalty is an extreme action taken against an ISP that is so lenient on spammers, the entire UseNet backbone refuses to accept any UseNet message from that ISP whatsoever--effectively cutting off all newsgroup access for every subscriber who uses that ISP.

So it isn't just AOL. SBC has a very, very serious problem on its hands--it deliberately and knowingly harbors so many aggressive spammers that much of the Internet community is beginning to rise up against it.

I sincerely hope that SBC realizes that the short-term gains of taking a spammer's money are not worth the long-term losses of a backlash against the entire ISP. But until they do, I think you can expect to continue having problems.
A whole lot about me: www.xeromag.com/franklin.html

Offline RHPConsult

  • TS Addict
  • Posts: 7859
    • View Profile
    • http://
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2003, 08:23:51 PM »
There you go again, Franklin. . . explaining something well beyond my powers of awareness/comprehension and making it genuinely understandable.

I do appreciate it. You do that so well, and fortunately, often for TS. Thank you very much.

Now, if someone would start a website on SBC's outrageous practices, maybe they could be shamed into treading the straight and narrow . . . as I thought they had been doing.

There's more than a small body of opinion that the discredited editors of the NY Times would not have resigned following the recent debacle (on their watch!, as they say) had there not been several web sites spontaneously established that told the truth of the staff's towering unhappiness. Finally, even the publisher couldn't ignore them.

I wonder if an outcry about SBC's policies/practices might enhance at least the possibility of change?

Oh, for the good old days, when Pacific Bell was a jewel of a phone company.

BTW, this certainly doesn't encourage me to think AOL is a well governed/managed enterprize.

A pox on both their houses.

Yers truly,

The Mushroom (Innocent Variety)
« Last Edit: July 10, 2003, 08:24:30 PM by RHPConsult »

Offline Bill

  • TS Addict
  • *****
  • Posts: 4615
    • View Profile
Nitwittwery is alive and well: It's spelled AOL
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2003, 08:38:21 PM »
I second what RHP said Tacit.
Well written!
Two cans and a string powered by a big mouth