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« Reply #60 on: November 22, 2013, 03:57:29 PM »
FIXED!
No change in the process, get info on the picture that you want to use, then get info on the folder or icon you want to look like the picture.
Highlight the picture one, copy it, then highlight the generic icon or folder, then paste the picture. It will appear.

But here is the trick I just found, you HAVE to change it to a .psd file, .jpg wont work.
Even the Apple care guys I talked with didnt know that and they were very happy that I told them how to do it.
I know its not important, but those of us who love to customize things, want to be able to.


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« Reply #61 on: November 22, 2013, 04:03:01 PM »
Thank you, Jane for returning with the solution to your vexation, always good to know HOW, and not just that it can be done.

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« Reply #62 on: November 22, 2013, 04:43:54 PM »
Yes, I am glad to have found and posted it.
Next comes the Mosaic screensaver issue.

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« Reply #63 on: November 22, 2013, 09:29:26 PM »
Just to clarify the icon situation - Jane is correct; changing a FOLDER icon requires a .psd image file or an .icns file. Changing a file, you can use a .jpg or .png or .icns as per the method I mentioned and linked to in post #12. Changing an app icon can be done using a .png or a .psd or an .icns.

This is NOT a new situation - 10.8 is exactly the same, as I suspect earlier iterations of the OS are as well, though not having them on either of my main Macs and not feeling inclined to traipse upstairs to test one of the old ones at the moment, I'll leave testing of older versions up to those who have them installed. wink.gif

If you want to save something as an .icns file the easiest way to do it is with the freebie version of Image2Icons: http://www.img2icnsapp.com

And this app will help change icons on folders, apps etc: http://www.freemacsoft.net/liteicon/

Candybar doesn't work in 10.9 and apparently they're not going to update it, in case any of you have used that in the past.

BTW - some links at the bottom of this article to some nice icons: http://mac.appstorm.net/how-to/graphics-ho...-icons-on-os-x/

As for the Mosaic screensaver, it doesn't appear to work in 10.9; a few have tried the hack from 10.8 and failed. So, your best bet is to put in a request to Apple via their Feedback channel.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html
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« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2013, 08:52:58 AM »
Yes, now my new desktop looks nice, and Ive customized many of my folders. .psd did the trick. I was wondering why 2 of the 3 AppleCare guys I talked with didnt know about this problem, but they know now how to do it.
Lilly is well represented.

Now for the Mosaic problem: I found this, but its old.

"Roland Dietz
Re: mosaic screensaver
Dec 10, 2012 3:05 PM (in response to crazy_ivan)
the first message about "reopen" the Pereferences is "normal"
 
the other one not. it seems that you forgot one file. Remember BOTH:
/System/Library/Frameworks/ScreenSaver.framework
AND
/System/Library/PreferencePanes/DesktopScreenEffectsPref.prefPane"

 
I dont have any of those files on either 10.5.8 24 inch Mac, nor my new one, but I see that some people were able to do it.

I sent several messages to Apple, but I will use that link and send another one from one of my other emails.
Thank you,

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« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2013, 09:23:41 AM »
QUOTE(jcarter @ Nov 23 2013, 09:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Now for the Mosaic problem: I found this, but its old.

"Roland Dietz
Re: mosaic screensaver
Dec 10, 2012 3:05 PM (in response to crazy_ivan)
the first message about "reopen" the Pereferences is "normal"
 
the other one not. it seems that you forgot one file. Remember BOTH:
/System/Library/Frameworks/ScreenSaver.framework
AND
/System/Library/PreferencePanes/DesktopScreenEffectsPref.prefPane"

 
I dont have any of those files on either 10.5.8 24 inch Mac, nor my new one, but I see that some people were able to do it.

I sent several messages to Apple, but I will use that link and send another one from one of my other emails.
Thank you,


Jane, I don't know where you're looking...see screenshot. At least see screenshot when I switch to the other computer since I cannot seem to add an image in any reply in any theme! Argh. We really do need to bite the bullet and get on with updating our forum software...sigh.
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« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2013, 11:38:03 AM »
Guess I was looking in the wrong place, here is what I have, so far,Next I will look in the preference panes, And here is what Roland said to look for, but where do I go from there I wonder?for got this one,This one didnt upload yet,

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« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2013, 12:02:45 PM »
OK I have taken both of them, dragged them out and put their copies in a folder from the old Mac which Mosaic is in.  So do I insert them into the same places in the new Mac?  I am very nervous of doing stuff like this, but if I knew it would work, I sure would do it!

/System/Library/Frameworks/ScreenSaver.framework

/System/Library/PreferencePanes/DesktopScreenEffectsPref.prefPane"

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« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2013, 12:39:27 PM »
Jane, did you read this from Paddy's post #64?
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As for the Mosaic screensaver, it doesn't appear to work in 10.9; a few have tried the hack from 10.8 and failed. So, your best bet is to put in a request to Apple via their Feedback channel.
You are attempting to put files from OS 10.5.8 into 10.9 and expect them to not crash? Why would you want to do that? Certainly, a plist file is only text but the location of the various pieces in that file and their label (keys, dictionary) are vitally important to the app that reads/uses that file. At best, the app will revert to some default settings when the data it reads from a much older version of the plist file supplies useless or even damaging information. What you are trying to do is like putting some old bullets in a gun and hoping that the barrel won't explode when you pull the trigger. eek2.gif

And all this just to get a rather pointless and useless piece of screen saver display style? Sorry, it just doesn't "compute" to me. If that display style is that important, do not give away the computer and the OS that provided it. Seriously!
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« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2013, 12:47:17 PM »
I do like Mosaic, yeah, I guess its useless, but its very pretty especially with many of my iPhoto albums.

I was not about to do this, unless I got the OK from you here. But I did see that this hack does work for some people, but they didnt say exactly what their current OS was.
Several of my classmates have done the Apple feedback already.

I plan not to give this 24 inch one away, but my grandson is extremely happy with my older 27.  

Anyway, I will just leave those files alone and not mess with them, just wanted to know why it worked for some people, but I am leery of doing anything that could jeopardize my lovely new Mac.

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« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2013, 01:05:14 PM »
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just wanted to know why it worked for some people
Impossible to tell without knowing exactly what OS, hardware, etc. they had when they did it. Moving plists out of their normal position is a fairly routine to force an app to re-create the default settings. The biggest problem is that the steps usually say to "trash" the old plist. That is over-kill and will then require more work to re-set all the changes you had made, assuming you remember what they were! wallbash.gif

However, replacing plists, especially ones from different OS versions, is something entirely different. It may have been done successfully but I have never, until now, heard of it and certainly never seen it suggested as any kind of fix for a problem. And in this instance it is not even a 'problem,' it's simply an attempt to get something back into the OS that Apple itself removed. Things change. Sometimes we lose things we like. Usually we get new things. Move on and learn the new features.

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« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2013, 02:01:50 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Nov 23 2013, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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just wanted to know why it worked for some people
Impossible to tell without knowing exactly what OS, hardware, etc. they had when they did it. Moving plists out of their normal position is a fairly routine to force an app to re-create the default settings. The biggest problem is that the steps usually say to "trash" the old plist. That is over-kill and will then require more work to re-set all the changes you had made, assuming you remember what they were! wallbash.gif

However, replacing plists, especially ones from different OS versions, is something entirely different. It may have been done successfully but I have never, until now, heard of it and certainly never seen it suggested as any kind of fix for a problem. And in this instance it is not even a 'problem,' it's simply an attempt to get something back into the OS that Apple itself removed. Things change. Sometimes we lose things we like. Usually we get new things. Move on and learn the new features.

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The only way I'd try this is via multiple clones - try it on one of them and boot to that. But I suspect that it won't work, simply because there is a boatload of stuff in that first Framework file - including a ScreenSaverEngine.app which is version 5.0 and dated August, 2013, and several .plist files which look like they may be pointing to new versions of things in Mavericks.

Really not worth the messing around, if you ask me. Of course, I don't use a screen saver, and haven't done for the better part of the last decade, as they're really not necessary. They were invented to prevent phosphor burn-in for old CRTs (plasma screens are also susceptible) - with LCDs this is no longer an issue. Even with newer CRTs it had ceased to be much of an issue. My Macs all have screens set to go to sleep after about 15 minutes of inactivity. Now, screensavers are mostly used for entertainment value, as you've been doing with the mosaic option. There are various others that will display a variety of iPhoto photos in different ways. Not the mosaic you're used to, but perhaps a reasonable substitute.
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« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2013, 03:06:50 PM »
OK, I will give up, I didnt think that it would work, but I wanted to give it a chance. And I am glad I asked you all here. I know I wouldnt have done it, unless someone had a way to resurrect Mosaic here, and walked me thru the process.

Yes, Mavericks is really great, Ive been having a lot of fun playing with the new features, as I have been with the new OS for my iPhone.
And the new screensavers are nice too, but nothing like Mosaic.

So back to my classwork, and I wont waste any more time on this.


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« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2013, 07:15:05 PM »
QUOTE(jcarter @ Nov 23 2013, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK I have taken both of them, dragged them out and put their copies in a folder from the old Mac which Mosaic is in.  So do I insert them into the same places in the new Mac?  I am very nervous of doing stuff like this, but if I knew it would work, I sure would do it!

/System/Library/Frameworks/ScreenSaver.framework

/System/Library/PreferencePanes/DesktopScreenEffectsPref.prefPane"




QUOTE(jcarter @ Nov 23 2013, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
OK, I will give up, .......



Good thing too.  Messing around in System/Library can be a recipe for disaster that should be reserved for those with a broad working knowledge of Unix-type file structure.  Definitely not for the faint of heart.  And crossing between system versions!!!......  well - definitely caveat emptor  and be prepared for a wholesale backup and system re-install......

IMHO Mosaic was dropped because it was a huge system resource hog that got the whole system very hot and had the fans whirling to beat the band.  That said it was a lot of fun and fascinating to watch.

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« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2013, 07:01:48 AM »
I still run Mosaic on this computer, and it doesnt seem to get hot nor crank the fans.
Didnt do that on the one I gave to my grandson either, for some odd reason.

No, I wont mess with anything like this.

At least I have it still on one computer.