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« on: December 04, 2013, 04:20:45 PM »
I usually don't get too excited when things are actually forecast! It's when they say, "Nothing headed this far south. It'll all be well to our north." Katy bar the door, in that case! Anyway, my in-laws are pretty far out on the end of the power lines, in the country, of course. The last time the lines went down due to ice, they were without power for over a week. So I went to Home Depot and Lowe's to look for portable generators this morning. Finally decided we'd (they!) could take a chance this time but if they lost power, I'd go get them (80 miles away). They have 24/7 caregivers and another lady that does 'something(!)' most week days. So I wasn't too worried about them waiting for a few hours.

Well, the 'something' lady calls me about 1pm all worried that the 24/7 people won't be able to make it and she's planning on staying with a friend tonight so she can make it the five miles tomorrow and she would like for me to see if I can get her a generator because they are all gone in the few towns around there and she'll repay me and she knows how to run them because she sold one she had when she decided to move and the new landlord said she couldn't have one but he lied and now she wants one and I could deliver it to my in-laws and... Fortunately, my battery went dead about then! laughhard.gif

Of course, there's not a cloud in the sky all the way to Kansas City, nor any precip on the radar. The temp is still in the upper 60s here and at my in-laws house and the weather station says the storm won't even get here until Thursday night around midnight! flail.gif

OK, short story. I just completed installing the wheels and skids on the generator without taking it out of my Highlander. Dumb idea, but I plan on getting some help to move it to my small trailer tonight at church. It took two of us just to get it into my car, there's no way I can get it into the trailer by myself. The trailer has a 5 foot tail gate that should make it fairly easy to unload, gravity and all! eek2.gif And I can stop and gas up the generator without worrying about spilling gas inside the car.

Now, if I could just figure out how to get that 'something' lady's hot air converted to gas, we could disconnect the power from the electrical line and run the generator for several month for free!!! yes.gif

No wonder I worked up a sweat!!! It's still 74°F!! wallbash.gif Terrible temp for the time of year!!!
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2013, 05:22:14 PM »
Don't know where your 'ice storm' is coming from... Maybe that mass out in Colorado,, but ours has all moved on to the NE of here...  Didn't even leave enough for a "wobble dance" on the way out to the mailbox and back.
You should get your Utilities to put the cables underground... At least here they hire squirrels to run up and down the lines and knock the ice off...or at least provide entertainment for those of us left in the dark.

Good luck with the generator..you know they never start when needed, only when being tested.

Who is supposed to keep the fish from freezing?? Maybe the 'something' hot air lady.

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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2013, 07:49:36 PM »
Power lines are underground on our street. And in most subdivisions of about ten years old. But the Utility company discourages that in new developments because the cables/connections/transformers keep getting wet. And it's also extremely hard to find where a power line is broken when its underground. Of course, it is also more expensive. There are billions of pine trees within a hundred miles and they make great poles! Our soil makes good lake bottoms; mostly non-porous clay! Also makes good bricks, a very common exterior siding on buildings/houses. Even in our 'subdivision' (we're only one long street with a huge golf course on the south and 140 acres of pasture on the north), they put the transformers above ground.

Of course, the generator us for my wife's folks who live on their farm, miles and miles from the nearest electrical substation. The only thing buried around there are the 200' deep wells used for irrigation!

The fish just dive down to the 45-50°F water. The pond has already had ice on it just last week. But it's rarely more than a quarter inch thick; no ice skating allowed! eek2.gif I don't bother making a hole in it unless it stays frozen for several days. Cold water has a much higher oxygen level than warm. That's the main reason we have a pump and water fall the rest of the year, the splashing helps introduce more oxygen into the warm water. The fish don't really hibernate, but their metabolism really slows down and they are a 'hardy' breed, not tropicals, at all. Basically they are just colorful carp! wink.gif

I assume the cold air is from the same mass that is hitting Colorado, Wyoming, Kansas right now, special delivery from our Northern Neighbors in Saskatchewan? Maybe a little from Alberta, also. Extremely cold, high pressure 'bubbles' build up in that area and there's not much to keep it from speeding down the eastern slopes of the Rockies or the Plains. It usually not very thick which means it slides under the much warmer and wet air coming up from the Gulf of Mexico. The rain falls through the very cold air and, if we're lucky, it is just sleet/ice pellets. If  the cold layer is a little thinner, the rain doesn't quite freeze before hitting the trees/power lines/etc. but it then realizes how cold it is and proceeds to change to a solid!!

And thus concludes our class in Ichthyology, Geography, Meteorology, Urban Development, Farming and Physics. There will be a 100 question essay test tomorrow. Please go over your notes tonight! The test will be 95% of your grade for the semester, BTW.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2013, 09:20:12 PM »
Cold here last night—not like the midwest, but all things being relative we went from upper 40's at night to 27 at 5 this morning, and that's a bit of a shock. It's already 30 on our porch, so I think we might go lower than 27! eek2.gif Time for another blanket on the bed. Tomorrow we have to be 16 miles up the road by 11am and that's gonna be a fun, and very cold, drive. Seat heat on high!

Best of all, they are predicting SNOW for us here on the beaches for Thursday night. smile.gif FUN! FUN! FUN!

Everyone stay warm and I hope no one is shoveling snow.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2013, 12:37:56 AM »
Yesterday, I was doing a bit of clearing up in the garden and found roses in bloom and in bud - it's the fourth of December, for goodness sake!

Today's forecast is for upper 40s, with winds up to 25mph and rain in the afternoon. Sometimes they get it right smile.gif

Looks like being an interesting day for Frances - just checked the Shetland forecast  jawdrop.gif

I'd be interested to see links for your forecasts so we can "share".
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2013, 08:29:57 AM »
We had 15 degrees Fahrenheit and a little dry snow (not enough to sweep) but people all drove this morning like it was a gale force blizzard.  It was supposed to snow from southern Missouri through the XABD's area; but they missed our end of it!  rolleyes.gif  I thought the current was supposed to keep England warmer in the winter; I guess it's a good thing her horses are wearing jumpers!
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2013, 09:25:13 AM »
Frances, unfortunately for weather, is quite far from that current! I think she's on the northwest side of the 'big island!' (Except it's not the one in Hawaii!) Probably more affected by the North Sea! brrr1.gif

I now have the generator loaded on the trailer and tied down securely (I hope! The thing is not actually mine, after all). It is also covered by its original plastic 'sack' and a tarpaulin. Reading the instructions there was a comment about not letting it get rained on. WHAT?! Just what kind of weather would wreck havoc with power lines and NOT have rain?! wallbash.gif OK, this one, maybe. But even after the sleet/ice, rain is in the forecast again over the weekend... which is exactly when the power could still be out. doh.gif

The lady who will take possession of the generator woke me up about 6am to say she would be a little late at my in-law's house. I guess she forgot that they already have 24/7 help? I can foresee a conflict between her and the 'Sitters' if she is as controlling as she seems to be...

Then, she calls back 30 minutes later asking for me to stop and buy her for de-icing fluid in case her car doors freeze up. I'm now carefully checking the caller ID, to say the least! laughhard.gif

The cold/storm is now 're-scheduled' for 6am Friday. Slowed down by the Ozarks "Mountains" possibly. I still think it will mainly go north of us. Problem is this lady seems to be getting her weather info from TV, not the weather service. Oh well, this business is keeping me busy and 'off the streets and out of trouble!'

Oh, the forecast and weather? The high for today is already past: 60°F at midnight. It's now 49 forecast to hit ~33 tonight at midnight. But it will continue to hold or decrease to ~20 by midnight Friday. Hopefully, the skies will clear and the Sun will melt/sublimate what ice does form tomorrow. But the Saturday forecast is for overcast and 31 for the high. Another round of cold air and probable precip Sunday.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2013, 04:14:08 PM »
I understand Frances is without Internet right now, or she was earlier today.

They are now talking a nice accumulation of snow, although the amount changes based on which weather site and/or weather person you believe. laugh.gif Here's the site for our weather:

Pacific Northwest: covers NW Oregon and SW Washington:
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/

Local forecast:
http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?l...72#.UqD4lGRDt74

And they just issued a Winter Storm Warning for us:
QUOTE
...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 1 AM TO 4 PM PST FRIDAY FOR
THE CENTRAL OREGON COAST...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN PORTLAND HAS ISSUED A WINTER
STORM WARNING FOR SNOW...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM 1 AM TO 4 PM PST
FRIDAY.

* TIMING...BEGINNING AFTER MIDNIGHT TONIGHT...MOST LIKELY AROUND1
  OR 2 AM FRIDAY...AND DECREASING FRIDAY AFTERNOON.

* SNOW LEVELS...NEAR THE SURFACE

* ACCUMULATIONS...1 TO 2 INCHES...WITH AREAS NEAR 4 INCHES.

* IMPACTS...ROADS WILL LIKELY BECOME SNOW COVERED AND ICY.


We have provisions on hand and if the power goes, we do have propane for the fireplace and a propane cooker, so we don't have to try to go down the hill. smile.gif

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2013, 05:43:57 PM »
I have a link to the local wunderground radar map on my home page. <This page> is a handy one for checking significant weather all over the World(!), just check the "Severe Weather" checkbox. Helps explain why Frances gets little 'comfort' from the Gulf Stream current.

Looks like no weather-caused traffic problems in Greenland...
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 10:01:33 AM »
Hi guys.

http://myshetland.co.uk/arctic-conditions/

Bloomin' heck, it's cold.

I was quite scared for once!  The horses are all fine and ignored everything.

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2013, 11:11:00 AM »
Well, you are pretty far from any protective mountain ranges! And the closest ones are in the wrong direction! The Vikings weren't known for occupying the Hawaiian Islands! smile.gif
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2013, 12:32:39 PM »
After all the hype, we don't have enough snow on our hill to sneeze at. sad.gif  Other areas around us do have a few inches, and the roads are slick. Schools closed, deliveries slow or not happening, blah, blah. It's a non-event? Still we are staying home and not driving down our hill.

Frances glad you are okay, and hope everyone else is as well.

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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2013, 07:53:57 PM »
For those who are contemplating the purchase of a generator, let me express a few thoughts. We had a gasoline-powered generator for many years and it gave us good service until a capacitor burned out (luckily, 10 minutes before power was restored after a 7 day hiatus). We had it fixed, of course, but sold it to someone for the price of the repair.

The major problem was keeping it fed with gasoline. During the 7 day outage (thanks a lot, Hurricane Irene!), we shut it down every two hours in order to conserve gasoline, since we didn't know if we could get fresh supplies (we did). That means that I set the alarm to wake me every two hours so that I could turn it off, then wake up two hours later to turn it on. I didn't fancy refueling a hot generator in pitch darkness. Also, it was very noisy and gave off noxious fumes.

We replaced it with a Briggs & Stratton propane-powered generator. We would have preferred natural gas but that's not available in our area. The B&S comes on automatically within a few seconds of an outage (I had to manually connect the gasoline generator and turn it on) and shuts itself off automatically when power is restored (it's also very quiet). It is attached to a 100 gallon propane tank that should last for many days in the event of an emergency. It also exercises itself once a week (using minimal fuel) to keep everything lubricated. I had to manually do this with the gasoline generator and I almost always forgot.

The first generator was a lot cheaper (around $600 at the time) compared to the B&S (about $6000 for everything, including the electrical work) but we're much happier. My advice: If you have the cash, go for propane or, preferably, natural gas.
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2013, 10:47:42 PM »
I assume you are also talking about two different configurations; Portable and Stationary. One of the reasons I decided not to buy the small (3250 Watt, gasoline fueled) generator is the fact that it would require so many re-fills of a not always easily available fuel. While the farm used to have its own gas supply, it has not been needed or available for nearly 20 years. The farm land is now rented out for other, younger farmers with their own fuel needs/supplies.

Since it is a rural location, propane has always been there. So the obvious emergency power supply is a larger, automatic, propane powered generator. It is much more expensive, of course. And requires an electrical contractor to establish the connections and prevent feeding the power lines accidentally! I'm pretty sure it will also require a permit and inspection by the utility company.

This type of backup power also eliminates the problem of by elderly In-Laws from having to deal with maintenance, connection and fueling. This will give my wife and her much more distant Sister a lot less to worry about, Winter and Summer!

However, the part-time sitter wanted to replace the portable generator she had recently sold, so I picked one up in my area since they already out-of-stock because of the approaching storm in her location. It is called "portable," but there is no way a 67 y.o. woman would be able to remove it from her SUV! nono.gif It was hard enough for me and a male clerk to get it into my SUV! I asked  young neighbor to help me move it about four feet horizontally form my car to the trailer. Removal was a snap because of the ~5 foot tailgate. And that trailer is how I expect to move the thing to the lady's new house. How she uses it (and keeps it fueled) will be her problem! wink.gif
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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 09:31:53 AM »
Well, if our current weather is coming your way, you better get busy and knit some red woollies for them fish!!
-7f right now and we won't get above single digit highs for the next several days.... So cold it can't even snow (some good news somewhere in there).  Maybe a little water-proof fire place/gas log would be appreciated.


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