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« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2014, 02:09:14 PM »
I finally upgraded to iOS 8 today on my iPad. Went there on my iPhone Saturday. clap.gif

I have just finished getting the 8.0.2 update on the iPad. What I have seen in the iDevices is somewhat disturbing. Not that the upgrade/update is causing any problems (this time around rolleyes.gif ), what bothers me is what the user sees and what Apple does automatically.

On the iPad (have not looked on the iPhone, yet), going to the Software Update page (even without a "1" badge on the Settings icon) shows that 8.0.2 is available in one area and a "Downloading..." label appears below all the other text. At first, I thought it was actually "Installing" the update! After all, both words end with "ing"! doh.gif wallbash.gif Having nerves of steel (and a brain to match) I didn't do anything drastic, no one here today, so screaming would have been in vain! Within mere minutes, I realized that there was no "installing" happening... at least not yet. Finally, the "Downloading" text changed to "Install now". I'm still not sure what was actually 'downloaded'. One would think that an 'installer' app probably, and by the time it took to download, it was huge! More likely, the actual installer and the update was downloaded.

If everything was downloaded at once, I think we are putting a lot of faith in the Internet connection as well as the battery condition of the iDevice. I'm sure Apple's servers can easily check on a download completion accurately... "Nothing can go wrong... nothing...". And most users know to plug in a device before a long duration process is started. Unfortunately, "most" can be a long way from "all".

I realize screen space is tight, especially on older iPhones, but I see no reason for not placing more detailed messages about what is going on and why.

On my iPhone, this downloading was all hidden since it happened well after I installed the upgrade and before I looked at Software Update again. And it does show the "1" badge on the Settings icon.

Maybe I'm just getting old and senile... plenty of people have noticed one of those attributes! blush-anim-cl.gif I won't say which one but it happens without them knowing my birthdate! rant.gif
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« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2014, 05:10:31 PM »
What really makes me mad is that even though I have automatic downloads OFF for updates, my iPad tried to update to iOS 8 by downloading the update! At home, this isn't so much of an issue, but I wasn't at home, I was at a friend's cabin in the woods and his wifi network is set up to use a 6GB/mo cell account. Simply turning my iPad on to get my email (my phone didn't work there - only one provider does work up there) provoked yet another attempt to download and it was chewing through a GB of data just by being turned on for a few minutes. We were totally mystified as to why this was happening at the time and it wasn't until I got home that I realized WHAT had done it. I still don't know WHY, as I checked and sure enough, all automatic downloads/syncing that might use data are OFF.
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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2014, 05:24:03 PM »
I suggest making some cookies for that family. kimmer has some great recipes, BTW. whistling.gif Also, seems like that "cabin" business is causing a lot of problems... dntknw.gif
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« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2014, 11:04:13 AM »
One of the new features of iOS 8 is the ability to reply to a Message without actually opening the app. Sounded like a good thing. This morning, I got a message from SWMBO. She is in DC for a week of DAR work. I decided it would be nice to make a quick reply while my coffee was warming in the microwave.

All you have to do is tap the "Reply" button and the entry box pops up along with the keyboard. Unfortunately, I didn't type fast enough. Notification Center popped up a preview of an email that had just arrived. That covered the Message entry box! I still had the keyboard showing and I could still type, but I couldn't see the reply!

I tried tapping, swiping, doiuble-tapping the Home button, and a little cursing but nothing would get rid of the email notification or hide the keyboard. I finally just shut the iPhone down. There is probably a simple solution for this type of event, I'm just too simple to figure it out. I'll do a bit of searching but I'm not sure it's worth a lot of effort. I'll just avoid the urge to make immediate replies... some of what we call 'life' really can wait...
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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2014, 01:38:55 PM »
I dont have room for this one yet, I have to delete a ton of pictures off my iPhone and free up space first. Will put the best pictures into iPhoto today, and then start sorting and saving them, and of course deleting the dupes.

I deleted all my email, but still for some whacky reason, have 6.2GB of it on the poor phone? Restarted the phone and got it down to about 3 GB. Cant figure out how to delete the rest, as I went thru and deleted all sent, received, and anything else I could get my hands on.

Artlcle in the paper today warning people about iCloud, I haven't bothered with it anyway, as I have a multitude of ext hard drives for all my pictures and artwork.
And plenty of stuff on the web, which as you say, is pretty much the cloud anyway.
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« Reply #20 on: October 05, 2014, 01:16:54 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Sep 29 2014, 03:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What really makes me mad is that even though I have automatic downloads OFF for updates, my iPad tried to update to iOS 8 by downloading the update!
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I still don't know WHY, as I checked and sure enough, all automatic downloads/syncing that might use data are OFF.

Same here. This update suddenly downloaded (while we were at the clinic, so on their wifi no less), and now Sneakers is constantly bombarded with "upgrade to install" type messages. This kind of stuff is turning him off to his iPad. sad.gif

I'm still leery of installing this upgrade.
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2014, 08:43:26 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Oct 5 2014, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Have you checked/searched Bing/Google/Apple Support Forums for info on the Pages problem? I think my first choice for Apple S/W problems is still the Support Forms, that's where there will probably be a whole forum just for Pages.

I think there is some confusion about what is being "downloaded". The "automatic download" was nothing more than the Installer for the Updater. It was not the much, much larger and time consuming Updater. In order to get the Updater, you were still required to tap the Install button. At that point the actual Update started to download and the Installer first verified the download was correct/complete and then the update proceeded.


That doesn't explain why my iPad was chewing through 1GB of data in in mere minutes. My friend has monitoring software - after we became aware that there was a problem, he monitored in real time while I checked my email on my iPad. NO way checking 3 email accounts was causing that! (I do that all the time on my phone and my data usage is very minimal). We couldn't figure it out at the time - it wasn't until I got home that it became apparent. I had every other app turned off, and don't have many that use much data; they're all the same pretty much as I have on my iPhone.
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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2014, 11:19:31 AM »
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That doesn't explain why my iPad was chewing through 1GB of data in in mere minutes.
Unless you have 'Automatic updates' enabled. And I think you said you didn't. dntknw.gif I think the rules for Canada might also be different. Apple may not be bi-lingual! I can only report what I experienced. And that is sometimes other than "normal"! flail.gif I hav ben wronge wonce allredy thiz yeer...
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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2014, 09:20:32 AM »
The new iOS has allowed my favorite password manager to work more like it does on the Desktop! clap.gif Previously, if I wanted/needed to use 1Password in iOS, I had to decide to do some Copy & Paste dancing or use the somewhat less powerful browser built into 1Password. This problems was caused by Apple's policy to "protect" us by not allowing one app from communicating with another in iOS 7 and earlier.

Apple has finally created a method for inter-app communications and Agile has taken advantage of it by providing (a free upgrade) 1Password 5 for the new iOS! To save my ramblings, here is a link that describes these great improvements to 1PW at <TidBITS>.
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« Reply #24 on: October 08, 2014, 09:24:11 AM »
I was reading this morning that the new iOS has a new kind of encryption built in, and it protects privacy a lot better. But will be difficult for law enforcement people to access info on law breakers phones.

Some good some bad, always 2 sides to new technology.
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« Reply #25 on: October 08, 2014, 09:49:00 AM »
"difficult for law enforcement people to access" should read "nearly impossible... wink.gif Nor will Apple be able to read it, either.
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« Reply #26 on: October 08, 2014, 10:25:03 AM »
Seems that every minute, it becomes more difficult or like you say, impossible, for law enforcement people to do their jobs.
Even around here in our little quiet village, our bank was robbed, and not solved. For some crazy reason, the FBI was involved and thus, the local video from the bank was NOT released!
Most of us are pretty sure we know down to 2 or 3 local perps, who did it. But not being able to view the videos, none of us can help.
The hardware store video was very distant, but oh, that guy sure looks familiar, the bank video would seal it for sure.

I would think that in case of something really serious, or threatening, like terrorist activity, that a confiscated cell phone info should be accessable.
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« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2014, 12:43:58 PM »
A bank is not a hardware store.
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« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2014, 02:11:56 PM »
Thats the truth! The hardware store is across the street, and the kid who robbed the bank ran across the street into the hardware store parking lot and sat down.
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« Reply #29 on: October 08, 2014, 04:25:05 PM »
There ya go! No need for any surveillance tapes! Besides, a sitting person doesn't provide enough "action" for the evening news... laughhard.gif

I assume that the bank is covered by the FDIC? The key word there, and the reason for the FBI, is 'Federal'. It's the "F" word in both those agencies. whistling.gif
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