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« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2015, 12:46:02 PM »
QUOTE(Dreambird @ Jun 20 2015, 12:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, one good thing, finally... I got my Library back with a little app called "HelloGoodbye"
Still haven't a clue about the wacky permissions???


Uh...Diane, Apple made the user Library folder invisible quite some time ago. Yours was simply invisible - not gone - probably due to an update you did. Your computer wouldn't function without that folder, and you shouldn't try to move it, recreate it or do anything to it (this is why Apple made it invisible). Now, it's very easy to make it visible again, and many of us make it visible as one of the first things we do when setting up a new system. You certainly don't need an app to do that!

For OS 10.7 and 10.8: http://osxdaily.com/2011/07/04/show-librar...-mac-os-x-lion/

For OS 10.9 and above: http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/mav...-folder-visible

Is the "fetching" thing still showing now? That seems to be an issue others have had - probably related to corrupt permissions, though I can't find a definitive cure. One person says he just leaves it be - it eventually goes away.

Really long thread here - there may be solutions in there, but I'm afraid I'm out of time to read through it all:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3198307?start=0

Whatever you do, DON'T try to remove that "fetching" user!!! (could really break things, as one person did). I've never seen this bug myself, and I've updated through all the various iterations of OS X. I'm wondering if a reapplication of the combo updater might fix it.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2015, 01:02:21 PM »
Hi Paddy... thanks for trying to help! smile.gif I'd appreciate anything.

OK... I see about the Library folder then, I didn't remember that... I had heard it somewhere it seems.
Yes the "fetching?" is still showing... not on all files but some. There's no rhyme or reason to it as yet that I can see so as to nail down which ones. I can remove that "user" or whatever but sometimes it comes back. Duh! now you tell me not to remove it... I didn't do many, just a few. I suspect it is looking for someone so I didn't want to go overboard. I think that if it really wants it... it's on Time Machine... just need to pick one and restore... I hope!

It does not seem to affect the System folder, thank you! smile.gif
I set a password... will try ONYX perhaps.

Disk Utility doesn't catch anything wrong... it just zeros in on iTunes and Safari mainly. I do still have some old unusable apps hanging around probably from when I set up this machine and used Time Machine to migrate.
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« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2015, 01:18:17 PM »
I just browsed it and it seems to be a Mountain Lion issue... great! I'm not ready to upgrade yet... just not a good time.

It would seem one has no choice but to ignore it for now. ???

*edit... I just now installed any software updates... appears NOT to have been fixed.
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« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2015, 02:38:52 PM »
Just poking around the discussion link you left Paddy and it would seem some Yosemite users have the problem too to some degree. Doesn't encourage me to upgrade!

I suspect this could well be left overs from Tiger but when I set this machine up brand new... yes, I used the migration assistant... why wouldn't you... A full reformat? I don't even remember how!
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« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2015, 04:16:00 PM »
QUOTE(Dreambird @ Jun 20 2015, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just poking around the discussion link you left Paddy and it would seem some Yosemite users have the problem too to some degree. Doesn't encourage me to upgrade!

I suspect this could well be left overs from Tiger but when I set this machine up brand new... yes, I used the migration assistant... why wouldn't you... A full reformat? I don't even remember how!


First I'd try reapplying the combo updater: https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1676?locale=en_CA

If that doesn't work, then back everything up to Time Machine and make sure that all your vital files are present and accounted for. Then follow the directions here to repair the disk (just in case) and then reinstall the OS from the recovery partition:

https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT201314

If that doesn't work then you may consider a reformat and reinstall.

Back everything up to Time Machine and then reformat using Disk Utility. You will need the OS install disk or USB stick with full OS install and Disk Utility - or a bootable external drive from which you can run Disk Utility and erase the drive AND an install disk or USB stick installer. There are instructions online on how to make an installer, but it will depend on where you got your OS in the first place. I'm not sure how to go about doing it if the OS was preinstalled, since you can't just re-download it from the App store. You need that installer. Did your computer come with any install disks/USB stick?

http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/07/how-t...n-install-disk/

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« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2015, 04:34:34 PM »
No my computer didn't come with a USB stick nor an install disk. But this is what it says to do:

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You can erase your Mac and then reinstall OS X using the built-in recovery disk. Before you erase and reinstall, back up your essential files. If you’re installing on a portable computer, make sure your power adapter is connected and plugged in.

Important: To reinstall OS X, you need to be connected to the Internet.
Choose Apple menu > Restart. Once your Mac restarts (and the gray screen appears), hold down the Command (⌘) and R keys.
If you’re not connected to the Internet, choose a network from the Wi-Fi menu (in the top-right corner of the screen).
Select Disk Utility, and then click Continue.
Select your startup disk from the list on the left, and then click the Erase tab.
From the Format pop-up menu, choose Mac OS Extended (Journaled), enter a name for your disk, and then click Erase.
After the disk is erased, choose Disk Utility > Quit Disk Utility.
Select Reinstall OS X, click Continue, and then follow the instructions.
For more information about reinstalling OS X, see this help topic:

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You can also create an external recovery disk. For more information, see this Apple Support article:

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I can however make a bootable system on my external drive via SuperDuper.
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2015, 04:43:13 PM »
It's built right into my system... I can't find any Recovery System or such anywhere.
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2015, 05:23:37 PM »
I've got the combo updater downloaded... will try it.

*edit... so much for that... it will not let me install it... apparently none of my disks meet the requirements. HUH? Maybe because it's already on my main drive?

I'm going to try making a clone...
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2015, 05:59:58 PM »
Are you sure you got the right combo updater for your system? Check your OS version again. If it's the right one, then it should definitely install, as long as there is enough room...

Also check to see how much room you've got left on your hard drive.
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2015, 07:13:11 PM »
OS10.8.5 (12F2518) according to System Info. Lots of room on the drive... 199GB and it's only that low because I moved some things from my external in case I decide to make a clone. I think I will do that as it will let me run DiskWarrior as well.
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« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2015, 07:24:10 PM »
First, I apologize for the following statements that will offer no info or suggestions on this topic.

Your User Library is in every single screen shot you put in posts #12, 13, and 14. It's right there in your Sidebar. You have already made it visible by using some of the thousands of posts all over the web and here at TS. It's between "Dropbox" and "Music" in every single screenshot, even the Time Machine one.

You even mentioned looking into your Library in post #10. You absolutely, positively, did not need/require that nice little app. wink.gif

Still waiting on the screen shot of your Users & Groups System Pref?

You seem to be using shift-command-3, which takes a picture of your entire screen (fairly large). The forum software is smart enough to make a thumbnail image in the post, but if we want to actually see the image, there is a big waste of bandwidth when we download it. Also, it completely covers our screens, making it harder to see anything else at the same time. Please use shift-command-4, instead. That will allow you to capture only the important area of the screen.

Do NOT turn off Time machine. It is NOT just another cloning app like SuperDuper or CarbonCopyCloner. As a matter of fact, it is not any kind of "cloner" app. It saves, every hour, anything you have created or edited, installed or updated on your Mac since the last hourly backup. Let's say you did nothing in a two hour period but make a single letter edit to a text document. You can then go into Time Machine tomorrow and get that document back, you can even wait a week and still get it back! Even if you wait a couple of months, that deleted document is still there for you to retrieve. You can't do that with SuperDuper or CCC if they run every 24 hours.

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It's built right into my system... I can't find any Recovery System or such anywhere.
If you have 10.7 (Lion) or later (some hardware restrictions apply if your hardware is earlier than 2010), you have this. You can "see" it in Disk Utility. You access it by using command-r during a Startup.

Please, please, update your Profile info (My Controls->Personal Profile->Edit Profile->My Macs) here so we don't have to scroll back through a bunch of posts to find out what OS you have installed. Even if you tell us in a post in response to someone, that info might be needed in a completely different thread... now someone has to ask you again... Just as we try to make our suggestions as easy and clear as possible for questioners, we really appreciate getting help from them; it just makes everything so much easier.

Now, I'm signing off. This may be the last time anyone gives me the microphone! yes.gif tomato.gif scram.gif
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2015, 10:41:30 PM »
Thanks, Jim... no worries about anything... I am open to any suggestion for consideration... so carry on! notworthy.gif
I have Time Machine turned on again... I wasn't sure if it was backing up junk for awhile there but it would seem this is an OS problem from the discussion link Paddy left. No one has any ideas... I even saw that it has happened on Yosemite apparently. So guess I'll ignore it.

Sorry for all the screenshots... I meant one to show that it was indeed in the sidebar but not in my home directory... that I could "see" and then also I put a screenshot when it reappeared via a utility I have that can be used to make files or folders you wish to invisible and then visible again so I tried that and bingo there was the Library. I had completely forgotten Apple decided to hide it from us until Paddy reminded me. One screenshot is also of the last time I saw it before this in Time Machine.... that one is of no use at all and I'll remove it.

What would you like a shot of about my  Users & Groups System Pref? There's not much to see but I'm happy to get one.
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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2015, 10:47:55 PM »
OK... I did remove one of those screenshots... it still shows the thumbnail but it's gonzo.

BTW... I keep running into Oliverto.app. What on earth is that? And I went ahead and removed those large attachments, if someone wants to see my directory for some reason, please ask and I'll make it smaller.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2015, 03:15:02 PM »
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if someone wants to see my directory for some reason, please ask and I'll make it smaller.
Just use shift-command-4. That is how yo make a screen shot of just a part of your screen or part of a window. The Forum software will automagically make the thumbnail image, you don't have to worry about that part. wink.gif

As for "Oliverto", it is described as "delivery and installation platform (“Oliverto“) which performs and optimizes the installation of software applications (the "Software") developed and/or published by independent software vendors". In other words, it will install ad-ware that you don't need, probably without any notice to you. Therein could be the basis for your current problems. Don't even Google "Oliverto"! You will be taken to a completely blank page (probably because I have AdBlock running) with nothing except a few navigation items. Here are the removal instructions from a post at Apple Support Forums:<ad-injection software infestation>
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There is no need to download anything to solve this problem. You installed a variant of the "InstallMac" trojan. Take the steps below to disable it...

Back up all data before continuing.

1. Triple-click the line below on this page to select it, then copy the text to the Clipboard by pressing the key combination command-C:

~/Library/LaunchAgents

In the Finder, select
          Go_> Go to Folder...
from the menu bar and paste into the box that opens by pressing command-V. You won't see what you pasted because a line break is included. Press return. A folder named "LaunchAgents" will open.

2. Inside the folder you just opened, there may be files with a name beginning in either of the following ways:
          Oliverto
          Texiday
Move all such items to the Trash.
Log out or restart the computer. The trojan will now be inactive, but there are a few more components of it that should be cleaned up.

3. Open this folder in the same way as above:

~/Library/Application Support

and move to the Trash any items named as in Step 2.
Empty the Trash.

4. From the Safari menu bar, select
          Safari-> Preferences-> Extensions
Uninstall all extensions you don't know you need. If in doubt, remove all of them. None is required for normal operation. Do the equivalent in the Chrome and Firefox browsers, if you use either of those.
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« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2015, 04:18:47 PM »
Ah... thank you! I first noticed the thing after I did system updates yesterday, including Safari and the nasty little tidbit insinuated itself into my Firefox as well as Safari. It sets a "home page" for one... ahhh... I think I can probably handle that better myself!

I know that Google turns up NADA... it's one thing I tried after noticing the thing yesterday. Anyway I trashed everything I found as described by you and then I did an EasyFind search too and it turned up more... dumped it all.

Anyway, I also made a clone of my OS to boot into and ran DiskWarrior yesterday which fixed a whole bunch of custom icons and so on. I've still got the stupid "Fetching" in a lot of my files on "get info" but I'm more or less OK ignoring it now I think as there seems to be nothing one can do about it. At least I'm not the only one stuck with it from the Apple discussions thread I read. So...  why-me.gif is not such I problem... *lol** Funny how misery loves company... wink.gif Just makes me feel better it's not just me and it hasn't seemed to cause any problems if you don't mess with it.
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