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« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2018, 04:59:05 PM »
USB has ~three flavors, The first was USB 1, now pretty much no longer considered a 'feature'. USB 2, still in use. USB 3,a newer version in most new devices, it approaches the speed of FW800. It can still be used when connected to a USB 2 device. Like most "backwards-compatible" systems, it simply slows down to the previous version's speeds. Same thing happens with FireWire, Ethernet, Bluetooth, Thunderboom (or whatever it's called). Note: USB is not actually a "networking" technology. That's why the "B" is there, that stands for "buss" which is usually just a way to connect something to the computer. It relies on the computer to do any connecting between/among the individual devices. Thus it is simpler and therefore cheaper, traits always favored by Windows PC makers. wink.gif There actually is a newer USB version, cleverly called USB-C. Why "C" instead of "D", since it's the fourth (USB 4?!) standard version is beyond my pay grade... whoosh.gif

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only have one empty port
That's thanks to Apple's money saving methods. Most (all?) of heir laptops have only one USB port now. Of course, the iPads don't even have that many! laughhard.gif Most of us get around that limitation by buying a multi-outlet hub. That let's the computer 'see' up to eight USB devices (the original limit for a USB "chain" of devices). These hubs are rather inexpensive but be sure to get one that has its own power supply. Do Not but one that includes the words "Buss Powered".
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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2018, 06:32:55 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Feb 15 2018, 06:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why have colored disks?! You do know that won't be able to see them inside the metal, hermetically sealed  covers! tease.gif OTOH, it might be fun to watch the arm mechanism moving to each track. Perhaps the edge of the disk has contrasting color bands and a strobe light inside that would tell you if it was spinning at the correct speed like those fancy turntables! scram.gif

Just make sure the pre-asymboled units state the brand of drive and, more importantly the model. Simply saying "Seagate" or "Toshiba" is not enough. That's why the warranty length will help.

Also consider the connection method. If you have USB 3 on your Mac, don't be tricked into buying a USB 2 only drive unless you can live with a very slow speed. Slow speed may be OK if the drive only creates small backups while you do other things, but frequent access (reads/writes) while working with graphics may not be much fun!

Lastly, if you can afford two drives, get one for TM and one for a cloning (bootable) backup. 2TB minimum, 7200rpm, 3-5 yr warranty, largest cache you can get, USB3 at least (it will work on your Mac, even if it has USB2).

Enclosures seem to have increased in price. OTOH, there are now dual, drop-in "enclosures" for <$32. Those drop-in boxes make rotating backups extremely easy, but I fear the cheap ones are Asian knock-offs. Buyers beware. yes.gif

Does anyone have warranty info on the Seagate portable drives mentioned further up this thread? Only info I could find with a minimal search was for bare drives.


Um...Jim, if the external drive is a Seagate, the drive in the enclosure will be a Seagate. The issue of what drive might be inside only exists where the external drive is made by a company that doesn't also make hard drives. IE: LaCie. There aren't actually that many companies in business any more that assemble external hard drives (as opposed to manufacturing them) - in fact, right now, LaCie is the only major one I can find. I wouldn't recommend one - overpriced and no idea what's in it. There are a few other minor ones offering super-rugged enclosures with things like 80GB drives in them (!!) Not exactly a thriving market, by the looks of it.

The Seagate drives I linked to are USB 3 - I wouldn't suggest anything else at the moment.

The warranty on the Seagates is 2 years (it's in the PDF on the linked page) - which is about par for the course at the moment, unless you buy Western Digital Caviar Blacks, or WD Enterprise Golds, which are internal full-size drives and almost twice the price and require an enclosure on top of that. Both of those models have 5 year warranties. I have owned a number of full-size WD Caviar Blacks over the years and put a few in laptops - but 2.5" WD Blacks top out at 1TB. Given that these drives are intended for backup, you certainly don't need an Enterprise drive (which is designed for a heavy workload) and personally, I'm finding the portable backups much easier to use and very reliable. No messing around with power adapters either. smile.gif I can take them with me easily too - and I can get two of them for what I'd pay for equivalent WD 3.5" Caviar Blacks and external cases.

There are hybrid SSHDs and SSDs available too, of course, but they remain more expensive than HDs and for backup, the extra speed isn't really warranted. I did treat myself to a spectacularly small Samsung T3 a while ago, but that's for my Lightroom photo library and speed does matter there. (Plus it's ridiculously portable, of course!) They typically have longer warranties than traditional HDs with moving parts.
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« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2018, 06:41:44 PM »
QUOTE(Sooz @ Feb 15 2018, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I only have one empty port once I remove the ext HD.  

USB3 ?? USB2???
Connection method?  (ummm, cox cable with a cable?)

EGADS!!!!   huh.gif Smiles,Sooz

To find your USB flavor, go to the Apple menu and click About This Mac. Then, click System Report. Expand the Hardware triangle, if necessary, and then click USB.
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« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2018, 06:49:55 PM »
Sooz, your iMac has USB 3.0. Here are the full specs (you helpfully have your info in your profile, so it was easy to find): https://everymac.com/systems/apple/imac/spe...2013-specs.html

This hub would do the job:

https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Port-2-...in%3A6801586011

I have this one on my iMac, and believe it or not, regularly have all 7 ports AND the ports on the iMac itself in use: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IU6R2AW/ref=pe...1528420_TE_dp_5

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« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2018, 09:44:57 PM »
QUOTE(Xairbusdriver @ Feb 15 2018, 03:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why have colored disks?!

Not that this adds to the conversation, but ...

Silly man,  harhar.gif  it's the OUTER CASE that comes in black, blue, red, or silver.

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2018, 02:02:55 AM »
Thanks, everyone, for your patience and guidance!  ... and humor, too! biggrin.gif

Paddy, special thanks for the links and recommendations. I'll be ordering the Seagate (https://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Porta...p+plus+slim+2tb) and also the hub (https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Port-2-...in%3A6801586011).

Once they arrive, I'm pretty sure I'll be back here asking how to set up the External HD - unless it's as simple as plug it in and let it do it's thing.  

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(Edited because autocorrect makes "Sooz" into "Soon" and that's just not right.
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« Reply #21 on: February 16, 2018, 06:20:35 AM »
You will probably have to format the drive, which is the same as using Disk Utility to erase it. You did this before with the old drive, so follow exactly the same procedure. It only takes a few seconds, and then you can set up Time Machine or a clone.
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2018, 03:33:41 AM »
QUOTE(jchuzi @ Feb 16 2018, 12:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You will probably have to format the drive, which is the same as using Disk Utility to erase it. You did this before with the old drive, so follow exactly the same procedure. It only takes a few seconds, and then you can set up Time Machine or a clone.

Thanks, Jon!
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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2018, 10:50:58 AM »
QUOTE(RNKIII @ Feb 14 2018, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My only recommendation is that IF you buy drive & enclosure separately, BE SURE they are compatible.  By that I mean that some enclosures will work with drives upto 1tb but not beyond an some will only work with drives above 1tb.  (Expensive personal experience w(OWC).  Buying complete enclosure/drive puts that situation out of your hands and back on the seller...  Has to do with chip set internal to case.
YMMV....

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I would totally agree. I just bought (2) 4TB drives and none of them are seen as such in my OWC Mercury Elite AL Pro enclosure. I’m speaking with support at OWC and they’re hinting my chipset May be the older one and won’t allow me to see 4TB. All I can see is 2TB. Bummer. At least I have a USB HD caddy that is able to work with one of the drives.