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« on: April 21, 2018, 12:42:07 AM »
Hi, Everyone,

I'm back again, as confused as ever with something all new to me!  
<Aside: I'm getting better at using my iPhone 7! Special thanks!!!!!!!>

I was reading Kimmer's post on this page about "New macOS alert" and so I checked some things and noticed I have quite a few application-thingys that are not 64-bit (i.e. save files in folder, save image files in pictures folder, open HP scan, HP scan, open with preview, MS Word (which I use daily!), email image, email pdf, attach doc to email, and add to iPhoto library--to name a few).  

Here's a sample of a screen shot I took:
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Y'all know how (ahem) challenged... huh.gif  I am about this stuff.
Once again, I am throwing myself on your kindness, compassion, mercy and knowledge to please help & guide me.
I guess my questions are as follows (knowing I may very well have more questions later):  
1. Should I get the latest Safari?  I'm currently using version 9.1.2
2. Should I upgrade to Sierra or High Sierra, and expect problems because it won't play nice with Word etc?? I currently am using OS X El Capitan, v. 10.11.6

Many thanks in advance!!!!!!
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2018, 06:25:29 AM »
About Safari: You should upgrade. There are numerous security improvements that make it worthwhile.

About Word: Word 2008 worked in Sierra, works for me in High Sierra, but is a little wonky. To wit: It takes awhile to load fonts when I want to switch fonts (I get a spinning beachball), it won't remember my default font, and the Save dialog box is missing a few options. If you have a later version of word, this may not be the case. In any event, 32-bit apps will not work in the next incarnation of macOS (that is, after High Sierra). They do work in High Sierra, but this is the last OS that will support them.

FYI: The latest incarnation of Word (part of Office 2016 and Office 365) is 64-bit, so both will work for the foreseeable future.

If you want to try out Sierra or High Sierra, make a clone of your current El Capitan drive and/or make sure that your Time Machine backup is up to date. Then, upgrade the OS. If things don't work to your satisfaction, you can either clone back or revert from Time Machine.
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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2018, 11:10:25 AM »
Don't worry about files that say are reported as 'not 64-bit'. The problem will be for applications that won't work in the next mac OS; 10.14. And that won't be a problem for you, at all, if you don't upgrade your OS.

I would not recommend upgrading to High Sierra just for Word. First, there are too many alternatives, most of which are already 64-bit applications. Second, upgrading will guarantee additional load on your computer as each new OS is always larger and more powerful. Third, Apple makes it very difficult to upgrade to an OS earlier than the current one. It may not be easy to find a valid version of 10.12. Lastly, the fewer problems you have, the happier you can be. wink.gif

The major reason to upgrade/update your OS is for security improvements. Apple generally makes Security Updates only for the two previous versions of any OS. That means you probably won't be getting another Security Update. The secondary reason to upgrade is for the improvements in the OS and sometimes the apps that it can run (that need 64-bit architecture). Many folks are still using Mac OS 10.11, I only updated my mini to 10.13 because the mini died. El Capitan worked perfectly for me, but I have never used/owned Word.

Apparently, one can still download macOS 10.12.6 from the App Store. This link will open the App Store at the Download page. DO NOT DO THIS UNTIL or IF YOU HAVE A BOOTABLE CLONE OF 10.11 ON AN EXTERNAL DRIVE OR A USB DRIVE. See Jon's post above.

AppleMicrosoft has always treated the Mac/Apple as a second-class step-child and I don't think we can ever expect much more than that. They are, after all, a competitor. But there are several apps, usually free, that can open, create, save Word documents. Only one may actually be/need 64-bit architecture.

My suggestion about Word: If you make a living that requires sending/editing documents in Word, buy the latest version. It will simply be a tax write-off, anyway. If you are using it out of habit, create a new habit. laughhard.gif

On the other hand, of course, are five more fingers! If your hardware is over six or seven years old, you may be forced to upgrade. And even if it is younger, things just break! The point is, when computers break, it is often best to simply replace with new models. If they are from Apple, they will come with the newest OS 99.9% of the time. As the old commercial used to say, "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later." Sooner or later, we will pay!
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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2018, 12:38:38 PM »
Just a comment about Word vs. other word processing apps:

I have tried Pages, Libre Office, Nisus Writer Pro, and Bean. I still find Word to be the most intuitive of the bunch. Yes, I know that's a strange thing to say about Microsoft programs, but that's me. I find Pages to be inscrutable, in that I can't figure out how to make it do what I want. Word has always worked well for me, so I will be upgrading to Office 365 in the near future. I have a question about Outlook, but I'll start a new thread about that.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2018, 01:31:17 PM »
"Intuitive" is in the eyes of the beholder. wink.gif Especially if one has used the same eyes on the same object for a long time. I used to try to depress the clutch pedal when I had my first automatic transmission vehicle. Eventually, I learned not to.

By all means, use what you want! It's great to have choices!
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2018, 03:04:57 PM »
Hi, Jon and Jim, and thanks for the info!    Spin me around and call me Dizzy!

I do like Word, and have used it for decades so I'm used to it. In the last few decades before retirement, I tried Pages and whatever else was the latest greatest flavor of the year that the school District wanted us to try out--but always went back to Word.

Now, fellas, *IF* I decide to do this with Sierra or High Sierra, how do I make a clone of my El Capitan drive?  As for TM, I have no clue about how to use it because I'm just as happy as a raccoon in a corn crib that it's there, running in the background of things!   Really though, usually my point of view is as follows: if it ain't broke, don't fix it, don't poke the bear, and let sleeping dogs lie.

Awwww, Jim  "I used to try to depress the clutch pedal when I had my first automatic transmission vehicle. Eventually, I learned not to." BTW, that's just muscle memory, me thinks.  smile.gif

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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2018, 04:40:56 PM »
For cloning, you'll need either SuperDuper or Carbon Copy Cloner, plus an external hard drive (which I think you already have, if I recall correctly). You can clone via Disk Utility, but I have never done it, nor do I know how good it is. In a previous thread, I gave you instructions on how to boot from a clone. If you need clarification, please ask. If you want to revert, boot from the clone, launch the cloning app (SD or CCC), select the clone as the source and your internal drive as the destination. Then, follow the procedure for cloning. When you reboot normally, you'll be back in your old system, and booted from the internal drive.

As for Time Machine, the article that I provided a link told how to revert to a previous incarnation. Again, ask if you need clarification.
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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2018, 04:44:48 PM »
I'm told my memory cells are now mostly muscle now... blush-anim-cl.gif

If you are using Carbon Copy Cloner, (or SuperDuper) you are already making a 'clone'. The important thing is to be sure you can start up your computer with that clone. It will either work or it won't, You just need to find out which BEFORE you try installing a new OS.

First, are you using anything other than Time Machine?
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2018, 02:12:27 AM »
Oh, you guys!!! You know how much I actively embrace doing new techy things ... NOT!  

I think for now I'll just leave things be ... I do have SuperDuper and Time Machine, each with their own dedicated external hard drive thingy.
 
Thanks again for the info and suggestions and help!!!!!

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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2018, 08:22:53 AM »
What?!! No sense of adventure?!!! It really not as difficult as some make it seem. It's just that most of us do this kind of thing only a few times in our life. It's great to have the new systems and hardware, but we tend to forget the details that sometimes can happen.

When I got the new iMac earlier this month, I failed to realize that the pure SSD would not hold the actual size of the System, apps, and files on the old one. DOH! The size was right there on the screen! What was I (not) thinking?! The facts were brought home in black and white when the Migration Assistant warned that all that stuff wouldn't fit on the new, but blazingly fast, space. eek2.gif A bit of late minute thinking allowed the process to continue, but it also required buying another external drive and a new USB 3 cable! It was all my fault, I was not as fast as that SSD! wallbash.gif laughhard.gif

I am so glad I got the system I did, it will likely be the last big change in my computing life, however!
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2018, 08:53:30 AM »
On a related topic... just spoke to the repair lady and our 27in iMac is ready for collection. It now has a new graphics card and a new 1TB HDD at the GBP equivalent of about 430 USD including fitting. Not cheap but still a lot less than a new iMac. If it keeps going for another year...

We declined her offer of upgrading to HS, but she agreed to keep it back to El Capitan since I wanted to be able to keep several 32-bit apps running.

So along with that we have one MBP running Snow Leopard (so we can use WinXP in Parallels) and one MBP running High Sierra...

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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2018, 03:31:53 PM »
No, Jim, I often don't have any sense of adventure!  I don't bounce back like I used to, back in my younger days, and I take that as a sign of ... maturity! rather than being a senior citizen who isn't quite "with it" but tries!    whistling.gif  

My sense of adventure is in the kitchen, rather than jumping out of planes or doing too much upgrading with my computer --as you know, the iPhone 7 is about all the adventure I can take for right now!  

 thumbup.gif Congrats to you, Highmac, for being a male multi-tasker!  Wow, is that kinda oxymoronic, or are you just a rare bird???  Yeaaaah, I'm keeping my El Capitan so far... but of course if I have troubles or questions, I'll be right back here!  

Thank you!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2018, 03:43:13 PM »
Just make sure you dump all your Romain(e) lettuce! eek2.gif getsick.gif

You can't believe everything you read, even if it's on a birth certificate!! nono.gif

My philosophy is that we have no choice about growing old, but you can't force me to grow up! tease.gif harhar.gif
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2018, 04:38:44 PM »
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My philosophy is that we have no choice about growing old, but you can't force me to grow up! tease.gif harhar.gif
Good one, Jim!!!!

P.S.
No Romaine here!  

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2018, 04:40:13 PM »
It seems that the only way to live a long life is by growing old.   wallbash.gif
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