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iPad not working correctly...
« on: August 19, 2018, 09:30:39 PM »
Anybody have any ideas why my iPad has stopped looking for updates and showing notifications. Also not all my apps are listed under General either.   :dntknw:

Is is telling me I HAVE to get iOS 11? I'd rather do that OTA but it doesn't show under updates because it isn't fetching updates?
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2018, 08:20:43 AM »
Can I get an opinion please... of this site on how "best" to install iOS 11.4.1:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/does-itunes-12-6-4-work-with-ios-11-4.2121303/

I had to create the folder they say to use in my home library... I did try the option + press the update option in iTunes, browsed to the folder and it sees it there. It's a much larger and more comprehensive version of the update, less problems etc. they say. And all those in that link say iTunes 12.6.4 works fine... you just can't update the iOS version from iTunes anymore after that. IMO it won't matter anyway as I can see Apple removing the 12.6.x option... but it would serve me well right now.
I've also heard to update OTA rather than through iTunes so... that would be the smaller version.

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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2018, 10:14:30 AM »
Sorry, I have not used iTunes version to update my iDevices for longer than I can remember. I have used iTunes (12.8.0.150) to sync both my iPhone (11.4.1) and my old iPad.

Not sure what "OTA" means in this case. I assume you mean WiFi, rather than "Over-the-air" which used to refer to radio/tv signals. :dntknw: In any case, WiFi is the only way I have updated the iOS for several years. I never understood why an app supposedly concerned with music/video should be used as a conduit for operating system updates or maintenance tasks. :no2:
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2018, 12:05:20 PM »
Yes, Jim... so you told me before about your "reliance" on iTunes...  :rofl:

Actually OTA means Over The Air... this is when you go to "Settings>General>Software Update" on your iPad and the update "du jour" will be there and you can download and install it from there. A lot of people I've been seeing in online research think that is actually the best way to go if you want to use iTunes 12.6.x with it.

It makes sense to get the whole big update as in the article I linked... kinda like a combo update I guess. But I'm thinking this is where one could run into problems with the version of iTunes... not sure.

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I never understood why an app supposedly concerned with music/video should be used as a conduit for operating system updates or maintenance tasks. :no2:

I agree... I'm hesitant to load the whole works in iTunes when the OTA version is the most recommended. Even if all the peeps in that article say it works with 12.6.4 just fine...
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2018, 05:02:55 PM »
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Actually OTA means Over The Air
As I said, that's what I assumed, but I've never heard WiFi described that way. It is one less character to type... :dntknw: I'm of an age where I can remember sitting on the floor in front of a radio listening to "The FBI, In War and Peace", "Suspense!", "Edgar Bergan & Charley McCarthy", and Groucho Marks ("You Bet Your Life!", originally on radio). So, "Over-the-air" has always meant long distance radio wave communications. Of course, "WiFi" is simply another form of radio transmission, just a much higher frequency.

I also remember "HiFi" as a "modern" sound system with two (Yes, Ladies and Gentlemen, TWO!) separate tracks! One for each ear!! That now seems to have been eclipsed by Dolby and other multi-channel processes... but we still have only two ears. :coolio:

Bottom line, tens of thousands of us have been using WiFi or "OTA" for many years to update our iDevices. Not sure why you don't leave iTunes in the dust of 'history', especially when it seems to be causing so many problems for you. :confused: :Thinking:
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2018, 07:43:35 PM »
I'm with Jim - I've not used iTunes to do updates on iDevices since...I don't know when. Ever?

Have you managed to get the iOS 11 to show up in the updates? People who have had this issue have said that restarting the device (sometimes more than once) tends to resolve the non-appearance issues.
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2018, 02:03:48 AM »
Yes, Paddy... it will show up in Settings>General>Software Update now. I think it was just being very slow as it seems downloading large files from Apple generally seems to be... it's there now at 1.5 GB.

I think I'm unfortunately too dependent on iTunes for managing everything... I sync all my apps, music, photos and artwork from there. It probably is unavoidable anymore. I notice a lot of apps on the iTunes store have now been updated to work with iOS 10 and up. I think just for the sake of trying it, I'll install iTunes 12.6.4 first... and see if it buys me a little "weaning time."  :blush-anim-cl:
I would hope if I can't do that I can find all my apps in the new whatever, "App Store"... ;) I've updated what I can but a couple really need iOS 10 or better.

So, Jim... I think that probably answers your question about why I don't toss iTunes... it's a bloody addiction!  :wacko: Ooops!
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2018, 04:41:36 AM »
One curiosity though... if not through iTunes how do you update your apps? Or... is this a moot question because on the iPad updates show on the App Store which is separate from iTunes... on the iPad.

The only thing I would really need on the MBP iTunes I suppose is to backup my iPad to my MBP and File Sharing which could be largely taken over by something like Dropbox.
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2018, 10:29:20 AM »
As you surmised - a moot question. Everything shows up in the App Store. The number of apps that need updating shows as a number attached to the App Store icon, which is absent if all are up to date. It seems that mine never are, as there is always a new version of something out. I wait until the number hits 20+ and then just click "update all" in the App store. That seems to happen every week or two...  :blink:
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2018, 10:31:54 AM »
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Yep, iOS apps will notify you in the app and/or in the iOS App Store or you can enable automatic app updating in Settings->iTunes & Apps Stores/Automatic Downloads: Music/Apps/Books & Audiobooks/Updates (Your version/menu may be different depending on iOS version).

Multiple computer Sharing can be done several ways, local network (even if it's WiFi, it should be faster than external storage up/down loads), DB, iCloud (I think the minimum is now 5GB), etc.
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2018, 11:42:24 AM »
Jim,

My Settings only covers the Mac App Store... I'm running El Capitan, it appears not to cover more yet. However I think you can set it up on the iPad in Settings>Notifications or just scrolling down through the apps installed and choose something in the "Allow Notifications" setting such as "Show in Notification Centre" which you can view anytime but dragging down on the top of the screen. I would think an update should show in there.

I have Dropbox which defaults to 3.25GB, I still have most of that available. If you need more space it gets a bit spendy, but if one can still sync photos and music through iTunes that shouldn't be an issue. Those files and the apps are the biggest in size. Apps are all in iCloud under "purchased." Don't have multiple computers, just my MBP at this time.

Anyway I've installed iTunes 12.6.4 and it's running fine... the readme file stated it adds support for syncing in iOS 11 so one could use it until it's no longer needed. It doesn't allow upgraded iOS in iTunes but you can go download it from Apple and update that way. I think it might still show up in the General settings to download OTA. Anyway it's easy to get. 
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2018, 01:02:39 PM »
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My Settings only covers the Mac App Store... I'm running El Capitan
"Settings" refers only to iOS. "Settings" is similar to System Preferences in macOS X, but there is no "Settings" that I know of on the desktop OS. As I said, the "Settings" you have depend on the version of iOS you are running on your iDevices (they change almost every time the OS is upgraded). It is generally better to run the latest version your iDevice can use. A bit less so of the macOS, in my opinion.
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2018, 03:42:06 PM »
Sorry... my bad! Your right... it is the System Preferences on my MBP that covers only the desktop App Store... oooppps!  :blush-anim-cl:
In the Settings on my iPad I have iTunes and App Store with options like yours... The App Store on my iPad is set to notify me of updates to apps... can't miss it... it gets a badge with a number on it. However I was surprised to find that not ALL the apps in my library necessarily show up there. I saw a lot of updates available when I started tidying up my library in iTunes where it shows the icon. Some were because they are for iOS 10 and up and some just were sitting there, I updated what I could for now.
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2018, 04:55:29 PM »
Well... in about 15 mins or so, I'll have iOS 11.4.1...  :blink: :scram:
I hope I don't regret it, there's really no choice anyway... so long as half my older favourite apps don't bite the dirt!
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Re: iPad not working correctly...
« Reply #14 on: August 23, 2018, 08:47:30 PM »
Wweeell... I'm a little "shell shocked" :losemarbles:  I'll get used to the "foreign at the moment" look and feel but I lost so many apps I loved... like my Calendar app...  :tears:  Oh well... c'est la vie...
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