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Time Machine: HDD or SSD?
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:08:49 AM »
If my understanding is correct, HDDs can be overwritten many times in each sector but SSDs, when nominally overwritten, actually have the data written to a different section. Since Time Machine can fill up space and then the oldest backup is deleted and overwritten, does this make TM more suited to a HDD than a SSD?
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Re: Time Machine: HDD or SSD?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2019, 11:11:43 AM »
I think your understanding is correct, although many would not consider that as acceptable support! :blush: :wallbash:

I found (and lost) a rather old comparison study of HD vs SSD and Time Machine use that indicated that the SSD ran out of write/erase sequences before the HD filled its disk with data. However, the SSD hardware was built in 2003 :whistling:, hopefully a more recent study can be found.

A secondary problem was mentioned in other sites: An SSD requires an almost constant electrical supply to maintain its data (various methods allow that electrical state to be maintained during relatively short periods [ie; overnight]. But the problem can become catastrophic when the SSD "dies". Once the electrical power is lost, the drive is virtually a brick. A HD, on the other hand, can often have its magnetic data collected, even if other mechanical parts wear out (physical head crashing excepted, of course).

Other sites remarked that while SSD offer a very great improvement in Read/Write speeds, Time Machine itself is not very fast. And since most TM backups (after the initial backup) are done with quite small amounts of data and are quite fast. The user may never actually see or "feel" any speed difference by using an SSD. Therefore, the increased cost per bit of an SSD over a HD is wasted money.

Lastly, I have seen differing statements about whether or not Mojave automatically converts external drives to APFS; Disk Warrior says it does not, others say it does. This conversion becomes a problem when TM tries to write "hard links" which APFS does not support (except in its Beta versions). If ones takes care to avoid that conversion and the drive is not encrypted, TM appears to be usable on either type hardware.

You are asking questions that are making me second guess the purchase of this iMac with only SSD internal storage! :Thinking: But that speed is sure nice...
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Re: Time Machine: HDD or SSD?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2019, 12:37:03 PM »
FWIW, I have 3 clones on external drives. All were cloned from my APFS internal and all three are Mac OS (extended) (journaled). My Time Machine external has been around before I upgraded to Mojave and it, too, is Mac OS (extended) (journaled).

The clones are on SSDs, one of which I installed yesterday to replace a failing HDD clone. As of now, I'm leaning toward keeping TM on a HDD. For some other points of view, read this FTM thread that I started.

All the externals are powered while the computer is on, roughly 16 hours per day. I don't know how much power they get when the computer is sleeping, however.
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Re: Time Machine: HDD or SSD?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2019, 03:41:27 PM »
Confirms my opinions, also. The speed of an SSD is great for booting and running a new app, but backups need three things: 1: reliability, 2: reliability and 3: reliability, speed is secondary. And, did I mention that backups need reliability? ;)
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Re: Time Machine: HDD or SSD?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2019, 04:48:09 PM »
I was not aware that cloning to an SSD could cause problems. I have less than 100 GB on my 1 TB internal drive. My bootable Carbon Copy cloned backup is on a 120 GB SSD thumb drive. My other two redundant SuperDuper backups are on HDDs. One stays cabled to my computer, and the other is stored in another part of the house. Sounds like overkill, but I never want to rebuild "from scratch" again!

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Re: Time Machine: HDD or SSD?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2019, 01:32:08 PM »
I'm with Jim on this - and the folks at FTM. No point in wasting money on an SSD for cloned or TM backups - those aren't things one needs the SSD speed for in most cases.

I do use Samsung T3 and T5 drives for my Lightroom library - that, to my mind, is an ideal use. Incredible speed, great portability (can swap them between my iMac and MBP - working on the same library) and it gets some 600GB of data OFF my internal SSDs, both of which would be over capacity if I kept all my photos on them. All my backup drives are HDDs; speed isn't as important there, though I do try to aim for USB 3 enclosures now, and prefer WD Black drives for their long warranties and reasonable speed.
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