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Offline Russ Kidd

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« on: August 08, 2003, 06:56:54 PM »
The biggest capacity drive I have on my PPC 9600, 350mhz (OS 9.0.4) is a Zip drive.  I'd like to be able to use CD's to back things up, but I've never had a CD burner and don't know how to use one.

What do you recommend?
How much do they cost?
Where's the best place to buy one?
Do CD's have to be formatted (like floppies) before you can use them?
Do you have to get special Mac-type CD's (as opposed to PC-type) like you do if you buy pre-formatted floppies?
Are there other issues to consider?

Thanks for any thoughts you have.

Russ

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2003, 07:22:57 PM »
Hi Russ. Do you have a Firewire card in that machine? smile.gif

One option is an External Firewire CDRW.

$110 or so.

I have an External SCSI CDRW myself. That's another option.

The CD-Rs and CD-RWs work on macs or PCs.

650 to 800 MBs worth. $10 for 25 or less.
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2003, 07:35:46 PM »
Found an External 24 Speed SCSI CDRW here for $80. Not bad. smile.gif

http://stn2.headgap.com/resale/FMPro?-toke...egory=cds&-find

You can buy CDR Disks eveywhere. Best Buy. K-Mart. Whatever.

I like Maxells myself. smile.gif
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« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2003, 08:20:58 PM »
Thanks, Kelly.  No, I don't have a Firewire card.

My ultimate goal is to upgrade to OS X and I'd like to reformat my hard drive at the same time.  So I thought it would be a good time to get a CD burner to back things up beforehand.  Will the External SCSI CDRW work with both OS 9 and OS X?

(And thanks for the link you gave me to the $80 External 24 Speed SCSI CDRW.)

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2003, 09:30:30 PM »
wow..will that thing even run OSX?  ohmy.gif

I would just save your money up and get a newer Mac...iMac, or whatever.

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2003, 01:56:59 AM »
John - From what I've heard, officially the 9600 isn't supposed to be able to run OS X, but Krissel told me a few of months ago that he/she (sorry, Krissel, I don't know!) was running 10.1.5 on a straight 9600/350 (with 1.5 G of RAM) and said it ran great.

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2003, 04:43:12 AM »
Hi Russ,

Yes, you remember correctly.

Good news:

You can install 10.1.5 on the 9600 with the original 350 processor. I did so on mine and it ran rather well because I had 1.5G of RAM, very important on the older machines. You will need to get the XPostFacto program from OWC to allow the install. I used the original 4G hard drive for the install and have another 18G (partitioned) drive for OS9 and other apps, files etc.

The RAM is all 128 chips. I did interleave them (A1, B1, A2, B2, etc.) even though the XPostfacto forum says some people have to deinterleave to run X. Best is to use chips purchased at the same time for the interleaving, ie, same chips on the A1, B1 and so on.
I did lose one chip along the way in my troubleshooting process (see below) which I think I may have damaged myself or it just couldn't take all the in and out movement. Anyway I now have 1.37G which is running fine.

Bad news:

You will not be able to install Jag or higher unless you upgrade the processor to a G3/4 and you will also need a better video card than the 8MB Twin Turbo that was stock. I upgraded to a G4 and added a 32MB video card with the intent of installing Jag but ran in to a problem where the install CD did not recognize the drives in the machine. I tried all the troubleshooting suggested at the OWC forum except changing the SCSI chains internally.  I removed all PCI cards  except video, deinterleaved RAM as much as possible, but never got to the install point. I was really tired of fooling around and decided to just live with the extra speed gain of the new processor and video and stick with 9.1 for now.
Oddly X.1.5 would run fine with the old unsupported 350 processor but not with the new G4. Go figure.

Additionally there are major issues with getting printers, scanners, etc. to run with X on older machines. My two printers were serial so they weren’t recognized. My CDRW was SCSI external and was invisible despite trying third party apps that claimed to work.

I now have firewire/USB cards that are connected to external dirves, mice, new 52xCDRW, card reader, etc. and all works fine with 9.1.  I also have a Wacom tablet that would not have been usable under X.

If I hadn’t the investment in externals and was looking at the G5 almost here, I certainly wouldn’t spend money on that major an upgrade. Depending on what you do with your machine, about the only addition I would recommend economically speaking besides RAM is firewire/USB cards to run externals. Any CDRWs, scanners, printers or drives you purchase as externals could always be used later with a newer machine.

If you want to just play with X.1.5 to get the feel of X then it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to put in on the 9600. I didn't run into any problems on the original X install and I had to go through about 3 or 4 incremental upgrades which are now rolled into one, I think. Just read through all the info on the XPostfacto site and believe that it will work. Do back up everything first though just in case.


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« Last Edit: August 09, 2003, 04:53:18 AM by krissel »


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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2003, 02:58:31 PM »
Small add to the above comments.
I use Toast just about exclusively with a burner.  
Most likely when you decide on which one you want, it will have a toast lite version. Which is fine in itself. The full version has a few extra features.
Look around at Roxio.com
They're update page is here.
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2003, 04:13:33 PM »
Krissel,

Thanks for such a complete rundown on your experience with all of this.  I think maybe for me it's best that I stick with OS 9, especially since OS X wasn't meant for my machine and I'm not advanced enough to deal with the incompatibilities with the older peripherals like you mentioned.

I like your suggestion of getting Firewire and USB cards.

I'm hoping to reformat my hard drive, mainly to solve a modem slow-connection problem I've had for a long time (it's not the modem--just bought a new one and have same problem).  Plus I'd like to clean out a few cobwebs.

I think I'll just reinstall OS 9.0.4 after the reformat.

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2003, 04:15:18 PM »
Thanks, Bill.  And thanks for the links.

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2003, 06:56:30 PM »
Russ. if you're going to stay with OS 9.x. smile.gif

Which I agree might be best.

You might still be better off with that SCSI External.

It's comparable technology with what you've got.

Less chance for complications from Firewire. If any.

External Firwire plus Card is going to be much more than the SCSI.

Just my opinion. smile.gif
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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2003, 07:01:18 PM »
You're very welcome, Russ.

I'm pretty comfortable inside the 9600 case after all the fiddling so if you have any further questions let me know. Adding firewire/USB would be easy and inexpensive yet give you so many more options.

One suggestion, if you do reformat and reinstall 9.04, you really should update to 9.1.
It was a long time ago when I first did that but I do remember things being more stable and a few little quirks went away. Who knows, mayber your modem problem wouldn't exist with 9.1.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2003, 03:11:29 AM »
Thanks, Kelly.  To run a SCSI external, do you use a SCSI card in a PCI slot like you do for Firewire or USB?

I don't have enough experience to know whether Firewire causes problems in older Macs.  The only person I've heard from so far is Krissel, who says she's had good luck using both Firewire and USB cards with her 9600.  However, she has upgraded her processor, which I suppose could make a difference.

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2003, 03:25:34 AM »
Yes, Krissel, I was thinking the same thing (9.1).  It seems to me I've read posts from people that 9.2 has some bugs that 9.1 doesn't.  Am I remembering right?  I'm not sure what the highest 9.x version is, but I don't remember anyone mentioning anything higher than 9.2.

Thanks to the link you gave me to OWC, I'm feeling better about my 9600.  I get the feeling they specialize in legacy Macs.  It's a nice change from hearing about nothing but G3's and G4's.  I always feel so left out!

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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2003, 10:16:18 AM »
Russ. You already have a SCSI Connection. There's nothing to buy. smile.gif

That's partly my point.

It isn't for sure you'll have problems with a Firewire Card but people do.

The next machine you'd buy would, with few exceptions, have a CDRW.

You could sell the External SCSI with your 9600 if that's what you wanted to do.

Again. Just my opinion. smile.gif
« Last Edit: August 10, 2003, 10:17:11 AM by kelly »
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