Need to get a CD burner

[Russ Kidd]

Well said, Ep.  I'll have a look around inside.  I'm embarrassed to say the only other time I opened the case was when Bernie, Kelly and Krissel helped me change my battery.  But as I said in an earlier part of this thread, I'd really like to learn how to find my way around inside and get the most out of this fine machine.

Have a good trip.

[krissel]

Just to add to the EIDE/ATA idea if that is the way you want to go:

Since you already have two hard drives, floppy drive, CDRom and zip in that machine you will have to put the burner on the floor of the case on what is called the "drive carrier". The burner would interfere with the video card placement that was stock from the manufacturer (last slot) so you will have to move the video card to a higher location.
Not sure if a sled or rails are needed for the carrier.

No big deal, just so you know.  

[Russ Kidd]

Okay, Krissel.  This is really getting exciting.

One other thing maybe I should have mentioned up front:  I fiddle around with songwriting and need to be able to burn CD's of my own music with the CDRW.  Does everything we've discussed so far fit in with that?    I.e., I assume there are some CDRW's that are not suited to recording music.

[krissel]

Are you asking about the blank CD's themselves? You want regular CDRs not CDRW discs since you most likely won't be changing the info on the CD.

As far as I know most CD blanks are OK for music but some are only for music and not data.  I use and recommend the Data Life Plus by Verbatim for data and I believe those would be fine for music as well (they've worked for me), though I think others who record music more than I may have other favorites.

OK, guys, sound off....

If you are referring to the burner itself, I can't imagine why you would run into trouble with any burner recording music. If it works for data it should also for music. I'm guess the software would be more important in that situation.

I think...

[kelly]

Any old blank CD that burns Data will also burn music as just more Data.

As far as I know.

The Special Music CDs are just a way to include a fee to the Recording Industry

in the price of the CD for those who are honest or don't know any better.

I wouldn't pay them anything for your own Music.

Some also hold more Data.

You'd just need the cheaper "regular" CDs.

[Bernie]

http://www.wegenermedia.com/cw8572.htm
 

[kelly]

That's the first thing I thought of when this came up Bern.

But I think it needs a Beige G3 to work.

The 9600 will have a SCSI Internal CD-ROM to begin with.

Maybe a PCI/IDE Card and this would work though.

[Bill]

By Krissel:

QUOTE

As far as I know most CD blanks are OK for music but some are only for music and not data. I use and recommend the Data Life Plus by Verbatim for data and I believe those would be fine for music as well (they've worked for me), though I think others who record music more than I may have other favorites.

I've used Verbatims Data Life Plus for both.

By Kelly:

QUOTE

The Special Music CDs are just a way to include a fee to the Recording Industry

You've got that right!
Though not all "regular" cds are the same. Been down that discussion before.
You'd be better off doing a search here at TS alone on that issue let alone other places on the web. <gr>

[Gary S]

I use Data Life Plus by Verbatim for data and I burned one for music and it came out good too.

Verbatim CD-Rs work the best for me.

[Russ Kidd]

Krissel, what I was referring to was the drive.  I've always had the impression that recording a music CD requires a higher standard than just regular data.  So I thought maybe some drives might not be capable of recording an audio CD.  Maybe I'm wrong about that.  I may have software confused with hardware here, since I think it takes a more sophisticated version of Toast or some equivalent for recording music.  I should refer to some of my electronic music magazines to review the articles I've seen in the past on this.

Yes, I'll be using CDR's for music recording and CDRW's for data.

Thanks Krissel, Kelly, Bernie, Bill and Gary.  

[krissel]

Mind you I'm not very experienced in music recording but from what I've done and read I believe the most critical part is the software you use to do the recording. That is most of today's burners are certainly fast enough and have enough of a buffer to properly record music, just watch the speed of your disc and don't overload the buffer.

What may be important in your case is getting the full version of Toast, possibly Toast w/Jam if you are very serious about your recording. The platinum version of Toast (which I have) contains several extra programs for recording and printing labels, etc. It probably has more settings , bells and whistles, etc.  I only use the basic settings for most of what I do so I can't speak to all it's capabilities.

You really should go and check it out.  TOAST

Many other TSers record music regularly and can give you more info in this department than I can.


 

[Bernie]

" Maybe a PCI/IDE Card and this would work " I don't see why it wouldn't Russ.
 I use Verbatim  Blanks for Data also. Unlike Memorex. Good burns all the time.
Memorex =     Verbatim =  

[Russ Kidd]

Thanks, Krissel.  I need to check with a couple of my musician friends who use Macs and know about audio recording.

Hey, Kelly and Bern, let me run my interpretation on what you said back past you and you tell me if I'm reading you right.  (I need to be sure I've understood what you said before I can go further with it.  I know it's basic stuff with you, but the light bulb is just starting to come on for me.)

Since the 9600 is SCSI-based, not IDE-based, I need a PCI/IDE card to run that combo IDE/ATAPI burner you pointed me to.  And you think that might work on the 9600.  

Hey Bern, did somebody try to steal your signature?  You're the only guy I know with a copyright.  

[krissel]

Russ,

A few brain cells just kicked in and I want to clarify some earlier info and add some.

First of all, when I mentioned putting the burner on the drive carrier my brain was on vacation. That would be OK for a hard drive but not a burner since the media needs to be ejected.
 
You would have to either replace one of the upper drives with a bezel (like the present CDRom) or move your extra hard drive to the carrier below and use the sled/shelf of that drive for the burner (just below the zip).

Here is an illustrated instruction page for replacing the CDRom with a burner.
Install burner in 9600

Yes, the IDE PCI  card will allow you to run the burner but there are some caveats. Depending on the card and burner you may have some problems with playback in the burner if it is in addition to the CDRom that is now there. Sometimes only one audio source is recognized. (There is also the possibility of a SCSI to EIDE adapter which would attach to the drive and then to the present SCSI connectors and then you would not use a PCI card.)

Do go HERE. Enter the search info CDRW, EDE PCI card (interface), 9600, 9.1. You will get several reports on various peoples experiences. Note however that many are older and won't apply to the more recent burners and cards. It will give you an idea of what may work or what problems you may encounter.

The more I think about it, for simplicity and ease of installation,  the external FW burner would be most appealing to me.  

[kelly]

You've got it Russ.

It should work but I don't know that for a fact.

The advantage to the Apple Model is that it should be Bootable.

One disadvantage is that there are faster newer Drives.

Also. The DVD Player aspect of it may or may not work.

You're in kind of a dilemma with your model.  

If you go Firewire Card and External Firewire.

You can get a really fast Drive and use it on a newer Computer.

That may be the way to go.

Then if things don't work out you can BIOK.

Blame It On Krissel.