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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2003, 11:28:39 PM »
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Now she needs your help.

One day you will need hers.


Yeah, that was going through my mind when I posted my reply.
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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2003, 11:30:58 PM »
We all enjoy offering our opinions, and some of the points made may resonate with Daughter and influence her final decision.  But ultimately I think that Epaminondas came up with the wisest reponse of the day, which is to let Daughter make the final decision.

Whether her choice winds up being good for her or not, she will learn something from the experience.  If Father or Mother makes the choice, Daughter learns zip, except that she can't make major decisions until she is away from Father and Mother...

Epaminondas, thanks for the reminder...

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« Reply #17 on: August 19, 2003, 09:17:02 AM »
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Ouch! Please don't get me wrong, I'm not going to plop a 12" Powerbook in her lap! It WILL be her decision (and her purchase).

This whole thread started because of mom getting anguished about not being 100% satistfied that our daughter had done enough research (which is true). Mom would perfer that she start school; then, after she gets an idea of how she plans to do her studying make the purchase.

This also revolves around the fact that we're srcapping by as it is, so there's no chance of changing the computer during her time a school. There's no room for a "learning-by-making-the-wrong-choice".

I do, however, concur with my daughter's idea that she should get the computer now so it can be configured to her liking, as well as her getting familiar with it before school starts.

I'm just trying to help gather some insights/information.

Which everyone here has contributed! Thanks a lot!  smile.gif

FYI - Two months ago she was sure she wanted a destop!

Would everyone agree that the extended warranty is a must? Her uncle's iBook's extended warranty more than paid for itself when the display died.

PS to ljocampo: A windows machine isn't on her radar, and frankly, I wouldn't reccomend something I wouldn't use.

Dig this, we went to her dorm last week. And what did they have in the lobby, lined up like a bunch of pay phones? Four orange iMacs! I guess it was for students to do some computering before they left the building!


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« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2003, 10:47:15 AM »
AppleCare Protection?

Without a doubt! B)
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« Reply #19 on: August 19, 2003, 11:19:09 AM »
I had not commented previously, because it has been so long since I sent my children off to college. In those days, the machine of choice was a Mac 512 with a second external drive (even then I was big spender).

As for the Apple Care Protection. Absolutely! My PB G3/Lombard, which I treat very gently, has had the drive and keyboard replaced (thanks to Apple Care).

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« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2003, 11:37:16 AM »
AppleCare for desktops - I have never bothered.
 
AppleCare for laptops - a necessity.
 
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The College Computer - I have followed a number of threads on this on different boards over the years.
 
It really depends on the specific college.
 
 
Some colleges have computers all over the place to such an extent that people do not feel the need to haul a laptop around much at all.
 
Some colleges are so Wintel-centric that Macintosh users actually find themselves at a significant disadvantage.
 
Some colleges have such a theft problem that people prefer desktops to having to zealously guard their more easily disappeared laptop all the time.
 
 
Talking to real live students at your daughter's college would be most helpful.
 
 
Additionally, I suggest calling student affairs/student orientation/the school IT department/the school store/etc. and to get an idea of the local landscape.   In the process you can probably learn about the college student discounts.  I.e., some colleges have Microsoft word - typically required by many profs - for around $100, some for $5, some for free - it just depends on what the college has negotiated as a site license.  Hardware prices may also see significant discounts.
 
 
It can be nice to be different, true.   But conformity (i.e., "fitting in") in these matters can also be very comforting with someone in transition to a new way of life.
 
 
<< I do, however, concur with my daughter's idea that she should get the computer now so it can be configured to her liking, as well as her getting familiar with it before school starts. >>
 
Yup.
 
Time to get on that telephone - times a -wastin'!
 
 
Best regards,
 
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« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2003, 12:44:07 PM »
QUOTE(Epaminondas @ Aug 19 2003, 10:37 AM)
AppleCare for desktops - I have never bothered.
 
AppleCare for laptops - a necessity.
 
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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2003, 01:02:27 PM »
There is no way short of using a particular Mac for a period of time to know for certain what will be the "best" Mac for her.  In my experience every Mac variation has its strengths and weaknesses, and then you throw in the human variable... rolleyes.gif

Maybe the emphasis that the Chosen Mac has to last the entire four years, etc. is placing a tad too much importance/pressure on the computer purchase.  A computer can be sold, a new or used Mac purchased for no extra money or a few hundred dollars extra, whether it is to replace one that didn't meet her needs or to augment the earlier purchase.

Since I began working at around 12, I was making big ticket purchases in high school using my own money (no parents around kicking-in dollars...).  Some of my decisions didn't turn out so great, but it wasn't the end of the world and I always learned something about judging my needs vs. my wants, product quality/features and the value of a dollar, especially when you earn it and spend it yourself.

So whether Daughter has done enough research and considered all the angles or not, any Mac is better than No Mac and she will learn something about herself in the process, no matter how it turns out.

So is Daughter reading these posts?  If she is going to join the Mac Club she should know about the wonderful TS Universe in case she needs a little tech support in the future...

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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2003, 02:18:00 PM »
More Thanks!

No problem with Mac support.

They have Macs (and pcs) in the dorms, libraries, etc.

The student handbook refers to wireless networking with the Apple "airport" in a laptop model. Not the generic (windows) IEEE 802.11 WIRELESS 11MBPS PCCARD NIC.

Both Ma and Pa asked her to seek info from other stundents.

No telephone, just AIM and checking the schools discussion sites.

The few answers have been a mixed bag so far. The dorm does have computer rooms besides classrooms, the library and other campus buildings. The quality and accessabilty are unknown though.

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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2003, 05:58:09 PM »
Coming a bit late to this discussion, I'll still stick my oar in. If your daughter isn't running Photoshop nonstop or heavy-duty video editing software, the iBook's G3 processor will handle things just fine. The portability of an iBook will probably be an asset. eMacs, though a great bang for the buck, have been fraught with monitor problems and failures. These may have been solved now, but talk to any school IT department if you want an earful on that subject! iMacs are nice, but aren't portable. Personally, I'm not crazy about the 12" iBook - I've worked on one and found the screen too darn small. But screen real estate has always mattered more to me than to some others. Your daughter should try to visit an Apple retailer and have a look at both options. The 12" will of course, leave more $$ for other important add-ons. And as for a PC...eek! The constant virus problems alone should be enough to scare anyone off. This will be her ONLY machine - it needs to be reliable, and she will need it for email - the most common source of viruses. On a Mac-friendly campus, the Mac is the obvious choice, hands down.

Absolutely get a mouse!! Keyboard isn't necessary - or can be added later. For portability, size and convenience, I'd recommend the Kensington Pocket Pro - it is small, optical, has a retractable cord, and has two buttons and a scroll wheel. For cases, the Brenthaven series (Apple sells them, as do a few others) cannot be beaten - they're made specifically for Mac laptops. They are, however, expensive. They make a laptop backpack that would suit a college student well. I have their briefcase one for my TiBook.

And as has been mentioned, the CoolPad Traveler is a very useful addition, though maybe not as crucial with the cooler-running iBook. I've found it very useful in meetings etc. with my Ti - and the Ti of course gets quite hot, so the CoolPad improves the circulation.

And don't fall for the "free printer" deal if it's either of the two lowest-model HP's (3320 or 3340). I just finished researching inkjet printers for my Mom and the user reviews at CNET were uniformly negative (which I have never seen before for any product!). Expensive to run (heavy on the ink) and don't last. The reviews of the low-end Epson printers often offered as "freebies" were similarly negative, though not quite as bad. We settled on the Canon i550 - more expensive, but got very good reviews, and lots of them. Also, it is apparently a cheaper printer when it comes to replacing ink. Again, her usage patterns should help determine which printer is most suitable. The HP all-in-one might be quite useful - or go for one of the better HP or Canon models. Another option would be one of the less expensive laser printers, though they are still quite a bit more than any inkjet, they will be a lot cheaper to run. If most of her output will be print (term papers & assignments) this option  may be worth considering, despite the higher initial cost. Many of the cheaper inkjet printers cost LESS than one set of replacement ink cartridges! A toner cartridge for a laser printer can last 3500-5000 pages (depending on the printer) and cost as little as $50 for some models, up to about $82 if you purchase a remanufactured cartridge ($99 for a new cartridge for my printer, the 2100). A typical black inkjet cartridge for an HP printer will cost $26-$30 and only last slightly under 800 pages. (both comparisons are at 5% coverage - ie: printed word). Many color HP cartridges printing at 15% density will produce approximately 450 pages, and tend to cost about $35 new.
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« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2003, 09:14:33 AM »
Thanks Paddy!

You are so right about those printers!

I was able to check out a Consumer Reports article about them.

The Epson 820, which is either a "freebie" or buy it and get a "free" Epson scanner; got very low marks all around.

The Cannon 850 was ranked 4th overall, and this was in comparision with machines almost three times the price!

The 550 you have is almost identical, same inks, same resolution. Just slower on print speed.

Unfortunately that $99 (Best Buy list price) model is discontinued! It's been replaced with the 560, which is the same machine with this additional way-cool USB port that will print directly from any Digital camera. Unfortunatley, it's not needed if you're using iPhoto/Mac, our any other computer/software solution to rework/catalouge your images. AND the price is $129.  mad.gif

Apple's "free printer" deal offers the HP 5550, which ranks one or two below the Cannon 850. Probably because it's cost per page is double the 850's!

There was a sidebar about what that costs out over time. However the Best Buy salesman (who showed me the article) was hovering so damn close I was getting uncomfortable.  sweatingbullets.gif

I have pondered the inevitable "upgrade" the laptops will have. Do you really think September will have a change? I've read of rumoured G5 "books", but that maybe wishful thinking. A G4 iBook would mean that the PowerBooks will need a marked speedup to justify their premium price.

And what about the rumoured G5 "Cube"?  wink.gif

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« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2003, 11:17:36 AM »
A G5 in iMacs and laptops? Not near term anyway. At least according to Alex Salkever of Business Week http://yahoo.businessweek.com/technology/c..._5175_tc056.htm

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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2003, 12:02:51 PM »
All I can add is that my nephew graduated from U of Chicago and he used a Mac laptop and that U of c is very Mac friendly. He's went to Harvard and bought a PC laptop and then
switched back to a Mac. He's got an ibook.
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« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2003, 03:02:43 PM »
Thanks for the link Harv!

Here's one from me:  http://www.thinksecret.com/news/augustpowerbooks.html

It'll probably be an incremental "bump". Maybe FireWire 800 and USB 2? With maybe 10GBs more HD space and a bit more RAM.

I was just at the Apple Store and picked up a Powerbook. That baby was hot! Literally! It would be very uncomfortable on someone's lap.

If they do put in a faster G4 it would have to be no hotter.

I've heard of faster G3s available from IBM. A +1 Ghz G3 ibook would be great. However, it won't happen if they can't move the PowerBooks speed up.

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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2003, 04:16:54 PM »
I have been wondering about the issue of heat with the 12" Powerbook.  I like to use my 12" iBook on my lap and it gets warm enough as it is; any hotter and it would be uncomfortable.

I am waiting to see if this issue is resolved in the next model.  If not, I am sticking with my iBook...

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