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Offline Bill

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« on: September 25, 2003, 04:42:39 PM »
This site in OS 8.6 or OS 9xx using Internet Explorer (5.1.5, 6 or 7) and tell me if it loads entirely.

For some reason it won't load on a mini tower/300 with 8.6.
The text is all squares, circles and what not.?.
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2003, 05:01:30 PM »
Just went there, RIGID, open OK.

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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2003, 05:43:59 PM »
Hi Bill,

I don't have anything that fits your parameters..*grin..but here's what it looks like ifn ya wanna know.

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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2003, 07:17:05 PM »
Any other machine, no matter what browser I get what you've posted or described.

Played around with that machine for an hour.
I've pin pointed it down to being IE. Maybe it is a plugin or missing a plugin, java .. ?
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2003, 11:13:54 PM »
Plugin - maybe Flash 6? Looks like that's what they're using.
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2003, 11:41:32 PM »
RIDGID Tools sounds like the kind of stuff that I usually delete from my mailbox. But what the heck -

Got an itch to do a browser shoot-out while checking out the site - I hope you don't mind.   Haven't really compared the current versions of a number of browsers since upgrading them to recent versions.  If you are not interested in the details - heck, even I am not, and I just did them - the results are -

Conclusions:
 
MacOS 8.6:
 
(1) The site works fine on MacOS 8.6 on IE 5.1.7 on an old slow Mac.  Flash works.  I do not particularly recollect downloading Flash on top of IE 5.1.7 - I suspect that either the IE 5.1.7 download contained Flash or IE 5.1.7 is leaching off the Flash plug-in from a prior download of IE 5.x.x.  

(2) Once again, Mozilla 1.x.x proves significantly faster on Mac OS 8.6 than IE 5.1.x.

(3)  Wamcom (Mozilla 1.3.1-based) proves to be - and is also subjectively - a pretty slow browser on MacOS8.6.
 
(4) Didn't bother with the old Netscapes - 4.7.8 and/or 4.7.9, as I recall.  They have been dog-slow (2X worse that IE) in any prior test I have done with them.  Old Netscape (4.x.x) - and good ol' iCab - have long been put out to pasture.
 
 
On another platform:
 
 
Red Hat 8:
 
(1) Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 (aka "Phoenix) smokes on a cheap, low-powered Linux box.  But Konqueror runs right up there with Mozilla Firebird, and may bear closer scrutiny than I have previously given it - perhaps there is a reason that Apple chose Konqueror over Mozilla as the foundation for Safari.  ;-)
 
(2) Mozilla and Galeon bring up the rear.  But not too shabbily.
 
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The boring, tedious details:
 

(A) Macintosh browser run:
 
Macintosh OS 8.6 running at a blazing 120 MHz - hold on to your hat!
 
Browsers:
 
(1) Mozilla 1.2.1
 
10 seconds for the RIDGID home page to load.  All is well except for a horizontally-oriented rectangle in upper right-hand corner with a puzzle symbol with a jagged line through it with a link under the puzzle symbol saying:
 
< Click here for the plug-in >.
 
Assuming that the puzzle box probably containted an obnoxious flashing ad, I ignored the plug-in and hit < Support > -  
 
7 seconds to load Support.
 
With care - and some consternation, mind you - this is really not my thing - I checked out the RIDGID POLL:  
 
12 seconds to load the Ridgid Survey page.
 
Looked at the first poll - red horizontal bar graphs, all looks copacetic.
 
 
(2) Microsoft Internet Explorer 5.1.7:
 
17 seconds to load the RIGID home page.  However, to it's credit IE did load the horizontal box in the upper right corner as three square images of tools which rotated smoothly and gracefully (fade-in and fade-out) twice to other tools, then back to the original, continuously in a seven second cycle.  
 
Support page - 14 seconds to load.
 
Survey page - 7 seconds to load
 
Graph - 5 seconds to load - red bars, looks good.
 
 
(3) AOL 5.0 (hey, what can I say?)  This uses an older IE browser - how old is AOL 5.0? - several years, anyway - I have long ago forgotten which IE browser AOL 5.0 uses, probably an IE 5.x, possibly an IE 4.x - this has not been updated in years:
 
10 seconds to load the RIDGID home page.  No sign of the rectangular box at the upper right hand corner - no pictures there or anything.
 
10 seconds to load the support page.
 
6 seconds for the Survey page.
 
5 seconds to view the bar graphs.  They look good.
 
 
(4)  Wamcom 20030723 (Mozilla 1.3.1 +5% more for MacOS 8.6, 9.xx, and 10.x: http://wamcom.org/
 
14 seconds to load - but automatically also loaded the Macromedia Flash Player Download Web Page for OS 9.  To be ignored.
 
Support - 10 seconds.
 
Survey page - 13 seconds.
 
Bar graph - 8 seconds
 
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RED HAT 8 running on an October 2002 $199 Walmart Linux 800 MHz Cyrix C3 box.
 
 
(1) Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 (aka "Phoenix"):
 
The site opens in under 1 second.
 
The site is almost instantly overlaid by a window stating:
 
<< This page contains information of a type (application/x-shockwave-flash) that can only be viewed with the appropriate Plug-in.
 
Click OK to download Plug-in
 
OK
 
CANCEL >>
 
I hit CANCEL, of course, and see the web site.
 
A puzzle symbol in a box in the upper right hand corner.
 
I hit << support >> - support web page is up in less than a second - no problems.
 
Look over the survey page - click on  survey - red horizontal bar graphs - everything works, no problem.
 
 
(2) Mozilla 1.4 -  
 
Opens in  a little over a second - a tad slower than Firebird in all other tasks, as well - otherwise, everything as in Firebird above, down to the horizontal bars on the survey graph.
 
 
(3) Konqueror 3.0.5a-9 Red Hat
 
Near instantaneous! as follows:
 
<< No plug-in found for Shockwave Flash Media'. Do you want to download one from www.macromedia.com? >>
 
YES
 
NO >>
 
The underlying RIDGID home page loading hangs at 99% until I hit < NO >.
 
If I clear the cache and then load the web site and hit < NO > as quickly as I can, the RIDGID home page loads in a little over a second.  
 
2 seconds to load support.
 
1 second to the Survey page.]
 
Less than a second to the bar graphs.
 
 
Galeon 1.2.11 - one-two seconds.  Feels a wee bit slower than the others.  No window encouraging me to upload Flash - just the puzzle symbol in the upper right of the web page.  All the rest, same as above, just a little slower.


End of boring details - see Conclusions, above,  if you like.

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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2003, 12:20:53 AM »
No problem with IE 5.1.6 on OS 9.1  (9600/G4700)


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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2003, 01:14:51 AM »
The next time I'm on that machine, I'll have to check if or what version the flash plugin is.
DB it could be that.

Epaminondas. Thanks for that short run down. smile.gif biggrin.gif smile.gif

I'll see about getting a screenshot also so you all can see just what in blazes I'm talking about.

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2003, 01:58:14 AM »
No problems - IE 5.1.6. iMac DV-SE, 9.1, dial-up, 46667bps (about usual speed). Followed Seesnake links up to first sub-page - not fast, but not frustratingly slow biggrin.gif .

Back to Products page and hit Support tab - approx 8 secs to fully load page
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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2003, 10:41:01 AM »
Sneakers is in OS 9.2, using Opera 5 and it all loads fine and works fine. Don't know if that helps you or not.


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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2003, 01:23:09 PM »
It loaded in OS 9 with IE 5.1.

I thinks it's the flash
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2003, 02:12:50 PM »
I probably just don't understand your HTML, but I'm confused by the multiple "head" and "/head" tags. Also could not get any page to validate. The lack of a DOCTYPE specification (at least as the first line) can also cause problems, especially with IE, it can be forced into a "quirks mode" that way I think.

I would suggest that you make sure the code validates before trying to determine what the "problem" for any particular browser might be. It may simply be the combination of 2 or more invalid lines.

These are both good validation sites:
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2003, 04:56:37 PM »
I was able to get on the MT/300 with 8.6. today and take a couple of screenshots.

Installed a fresh NS and two IE versions.
Turns out it is IE giving me the main problem.
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Although now I have a much bigger problem with the 'puter itself.
Tackle that later.
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Dreambird got me to thinking about the 'flash' on the ridgid.com' page.
So I installed and took care of that.

Yet Still have the wacky code on that site.
Then I started thinking about a plain simple page as a comparison.
Turns out it is not that site alone.
Here is the screenshot at the ridgid site and here a page I just about cleaned/cleared out making it basic.

NS doesn't get this wacky code on my page but NS will not load the ridgid page even with cashe cleared and zeroed plus jacking up the ram allocation.
Though I'm not concerned about NS for now.

IE is the puppy thats got my attention going.?.

Could it be a missing plugin?
How? When my simple page has nothing on it?
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2003, 06:35:36 PM »
Site loads good and fast running Os 9x smile.gif
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2003, 07:41:56 PM »

seems too! wink.gif
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