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District's move to drop Apples
« on: October 06, 2003, 11:53:57 AM »
District's move to drop Apples

RICHARD BOCKMAN. St. Petersburg Times. St. Petersburg, Fla.: Oct 5, 2003

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What [Tammy Gramlich] and [Cindy Seletos] did not know, what few outside a small circle of administrators knew, was that starting the first week of July the district's purchasing department sat on Apple orders. By month's end, requests for $100,000 of Apple equipment had backed up, with another $150,000 purchasing knew was coming.


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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2003, 01:13:36 PM »
The school board should have Hinesley's head for the way this decision was made. It's truly appalling when nobody on board has questioned either the educational wisdom or the financial wisdom of this move. Intuitive? I suppose he predicts the weather by the ache in his knee, too...

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And good luck when they're entirely paralyzed by viruses a few years from now...
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2003, 01:22:16 PM »
Expecting enlightened decisions from your typical school adminstrator/school board is like pissing into the wind...

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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2003, 08:05:48 PM »
Keep your fingers crossed, folks - meanwhile, up in Michigan....

Apple, Dell competing for 130,000-laptop deal
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2003, 01:48:03 AM »
.......... the Devils Advocate.

I’ve spoken to folks here in education, they said that the Lakewood project was the basis of their decision. http://www.cat.pinellas.k12.fl.us/
They also said that Dell’s is making it easy for them to switch.

Similar to other business models, like printers, you sell the printer cheap and make your profits in ink. In the long run Dell cost more, in the short term budgets are satisfied. A kid can go to Walmart and buy a PC for $300.00 with peripherals and rebates, and, and....... seamlessly carry on the work from school then upgrade their computers as needed.

The iMacs that the county used were not all that hot. They had their problems too, like CD roms...... wink.gif That and having to go to another classroom to get on a PC to do something the Mac couldn’t. Finding ways to read PC files. Everything that comes from the State is in a PC format, we had to purchase Office for Mac here just to correspond.

So it’s not like either Platform is a total solution unto itself, there is money spent and time lost in both options. Another thing, something I learnt from a teacher friend who transferred from South Dakota, teachers coming into this system are more likely to be trained in PC, making it that much easier to teach. Places like Michigan and California are losing population while Florida is gaining at an uncontrollable rate.

Something else to consider, this region use to be the senior capital of the U.S. But, in the past 10 years a change in demographics has created havoc. They’re building schools as fast as they can and still some classes are held in portables. The average age has dropped from 50 to 40 in that short time in a community of 1 million, and a region of 3 million in a state that gains 30,000 people a mouth. Cost is an ever growing factor that this retirement community was not prepared for.

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« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2003, 07:31:56 AM »
Intuitive? I think he meant Innovative. wink.gif
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2003, 11:22:44 AM »
Intuitive as in =Instinctive
Numbers aren’t everything?
Like a lot of folks around here, I’m not happy with the decision, but I understand how he got there.

Overcoming objections is still costly. You can do what PC’s do with the right $oftware. PC’s can do what Macs can do with the right $oftware.
Most school computer aren’t online so the virus objection is not a big issue. In a time when rollover is a three year window, how much quality needs to exist in a school environment? If your machine has a good residual value at the end of it’s useful life, what value is it in a market flooded with leftovers and a customer wanting the latest?

The eMac is a good choice, short life expectancy, low initial cost, but compare it to the Dell option and it falls short they say. I’m sure if Apple gave the computers away, Apple would have been the right choice. wink.gif

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2003, 01:02:20 PM »
After writting this, I feel it seems to be pointed at Sandbox, which is certainly not my intention. Please don't consider this directed to anyone other than some school administrator.

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I'm a little surprised at your statements about 'needing' to purchase Office for the Mac to read/work on Word docs. There are numerous programs that can read and write Word formats. And who says they have to be Word docs, anyway? I suspect that simple ".txt" would be quite adequate for 90% of those epistles. The other 10% could certainly use RTF. Word™ is not a word processor, it is a desktop publishing 'system', that's why it is so bloated and is so overkill for writing letters/memos. Of course, that is just my opinion, what do I know, I'm not a highly technically skilled school administrator (thankfully).

You also mentioned that many are already 'trained' on Windows and that would be a henderance on a Mac. Uh? Easier, more intuitive, consistant, and simpler is hard to understand? These people are going to be teaching?! I think that requires much more training and brain power! If you can't create a text document on a Mac (or PC), I don't want you anywhere near my granddaughters trying to teach them anything!

Basically, I am amazed that we (and I include myself) continue to let these public 'servants' do what we know is incorrect, expensive, and detrimental to our future - our children! Initial cost has been proven over and over to be the least of the problem with most technology. But this kind of decision does help the local economy, I'm sure they will be hiring more support techs! doh.gif </rant>

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2003, 03:28:34 PM »
Not so sure about the "school computers not online" statement SB - in our district, almost all of our 1,400 computers are connected to the network. A number of our schools now have wireless networks as well. And I'm pretty sure that being connected to the net is becoming the standard everywhere. So, actually, viruses become a very real issue.
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