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Offline Dick Miller

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« on: December 17, 2003, 09:36:58 AM »
What can anyone tell me about Operas web browser, good or bad. Is it worth $39.00. huh.gif
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2003, 10:23:41 AM »
IMO... Yes!

I still like to use NS4.76, but find it doesn't do a lot of  sites anymore... Opera (I have v5) almost always does... I use it exclusively on this board, it's easy to use... you can use NS plugins with it... rarely crashes... does auto-filling of forms etc.

All I really miss is the personal toolbar, and a built in emailer would be nice, but that's where NS still works perfectly for me.

Another thing is that it depends if you're running OS X... I say that because in that case you can have Safari, of which I'm jealous... blush-anim-cl.gif But because the browser selection is much more limited for OS9.1 I find my Opera 5 indispensible... smile.gif
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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2003, 10:56:16 AM »
Interesting - the reviewers (118 of them or so) at VersionTracker only give it about 2 stars out of 5. Not too popular there! Some of them are using X, however.

iCab is another possibility - though it apparently doesn't do Javascript all that well.

What OS are you using Dick?
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2003, 01:26:20 PM »
With FREE web browsers so available in just about any flavor, I can't imagine paying for one.

What could Opera or iCab offer that makes them worth paying for? huh.gif
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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2003, 01:39:01 PM »
IMO... NO !

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I never liked the interface of opera. And I don't find it particularly fast (it doesn't matter much anyways when your are on DSL). The mouse gestures are a nice feature, but I don't use them anyways, because I am used to keyboard and mouse control and am much faster that way.

The only real alternative to Safari for me is Mozilla Firebird. Camino is nice, too, but developement is too slow.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2003, 05:10:46 PM »
For me it was worth paying for because I "do" like it and there aren't a lot of choices anymore if you don't run OS X... I don't like IE and NS7.02 is the end of that road for me until I upgrade my OS. I've checked 'em all Mozilla, Firebird etc... all OS X only...  dry.gif

I figure I've gotten my $$ worth, especially since Opera is all I have right at this moment that does this board with no serious problems. smile.gif
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2003, 08:39:46 PM »
iCab, like Omniweb and FIrebird, is still free. It is not as fast as Firebird or Safari and, although java capability and style sheets not yet fully developed, there are now only a few websites for which I have to use Firebird. And the speed differences are negligible on DSL. iCab handles tabs and URLs much better than Firebird. And iCab certainly handles this website well.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2003, 11:57:19 PM »
Thanks everyone for the info. you have given me a lot to think about. I'm still running 9.1, so Safari is not an option for me at this point.

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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2003, 12:01:32 AM »
The answer is - "it is worth it if it is worth it to you."

You can find out if Opera is worth $39 to you by downloaidng it for free and trying it out:

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If it is worth it to you after you try it out, then buy it.

If not - don't.

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I use different browsers on different platforms.

I have not yet found Opera to be worth buying on any platform.

On Macs running MacOS 8.6-9.2.2, I prefer Mozilla 1.3.1, which I am now running as my default browser in MacOS 9.2.2. I understand that at least three different versions of Mozilla 1.3.1 have been ported to MacOS 9.x (Japanese anyone?) - MacOS 9.x is not dead, not by a long shot!   Of the available Mozilla 1.3.1 options I have settled on the "WaMCom" port of Mozilla 1.3.1 maintained by Kai Engert, available here.

Note the much higher VersionTracker user reviews for Mozilla 1.3.1 (WaMCom) than the reviews for a number of other web browsers available for MacOS 9.x.  Mozilla 1.3.1 (WaMCom) is more secure than Mozilla 1.2.1 and has various bug-fixes.  Faster, better and more secure than IE 5.1.7.  Faster and more secure than any of the Netscapes.

If Mozilla 1.3.1 (WaMCom) fails, I go download the latest free version of iCab and see if that works.  If iCab fails, I go download the latest free version of Opera and see if that works.  

If all three browsers fail, I remember that there are over three billion - count 'em on your fingers and toes - THREE BILLION pages on the Web, each vying for your and my attention, the vast majority at which I and any of my three web browsers are fully welcome.  So I drop the worthless site and move on to one where the site creators know what they are doing.  Hey - their sloppiness is their loss, not mine - it is just their public declaration of  incompetence on the web.

If I am feeling kind, I may drop a polite note to the errant Web site about how I am interested in what they have to offer but that they just lost an interested inquirer/customer - precise information as to what I tried that did not work - precise information on how their site is not compliant (iCab generates this information at the click of a button - I just select and paste the information and append it to the end of the email) - encourage them to become compliant with web standards - and I leave my email address and an offer to do what I can to help.  Often as not with smaller sites I get a reply within a day or two with thanks telling me that they have changed things and are now working to become web-compliant - would I please test out their site and tell them how they are doing?  With larger corporate sites I generally get a "thank you for your interest in our very important site - we are very important but we always listen to the little people - we are happy to state that we are working on these and many other very important matters and plan to have important changes in place on our important web site in ensuing months" (virtual pat on the head).

Not once have I received a nasty reply.
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<< Future versions of WaMCom   Kai Engert  

Version: 20030710, 7/13/2003 01:29PM PST

It has been asked whether future versions of WaMCom will be available for Mac OS 9.

Well, it was *relatively* little work to produce a Mozilla 1.3.1 version for Mac Os 9. It was simple, because not much had changed since the official support by the Mozilla community for Mac OS 9 was dropped.

But it would probably be much more work to port Mozilla 1.4, because a lot has changed in Mozilla after 1.3.1.

However, please be aware of the following: The WaMCom 1.3.1 series could be described as a mixture between 1.3 and 1.4. While you do not get the new features from 1.4, you do get the correctness and stability improvements from 1.4. That is, because many of the correctness fixes that were produced for 1.4 originaly, were backported to the 1.3.1 based WaMCom version.

The WaMCom project intends to maintain the 1.3.1 branch, and the current plan is to continue to produce versions for Mac OS 9, because it should be simple to do. You should see future versions of the WaMCom 1.3.1 series that contain more bugfixes.

The WaMCom projects also intends to produce a future WaMCom version that is based on 1.4. However, as of today, it is very likely that versions based on 1.4 will NOT be available for Mac OS 9. >>
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2003, 09:31:48 AM »
BTW... I forgot to mention, I believe you can have Opera free of the ad banner for 30 days to try it out... you can have it for free after that "with" the ad banner which isn't too obtrusive and you can at least choose what you want to see in the preferences... but paying gets rid of it for good, unless you do a clean install or such for some reason you need to re-enter your reg. info.

Best way to find out "if" you like it or not... try it... smile.gif

I still run only OS9.1 myself.
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« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2003, 11:34:42 PM »
Well everyone I have settled on Mozilla 1.3.1 it seems faster than Netscape 7. I just did not like the interface in Opera. Thanks again for all the input.

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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2003, 08:23:34 AM »
Epaminondas Thanks for the link to the WaMCom Mozilla. It still doesn't fully support URL Manager but at least URLM can see and record the History, from that I can still create my system/browser-wide bookmarks list. It also has fixed the too small prefs windows problem of Netscape 7.0. But it still doesn'y want to remember my 'History' settings! Not really a problem now that URLM does that for me (up to 1,000 sites, anyway! notworthy.gif ).


Glad you found a browser that you like, Dick! It may eventually help if we support browsers that are standards compliant. Even 800 pound gorilla's need to eat! harhar.gif
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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2003, 09:59:36 PM »
AirBusDriver,


You are welcome.


A little information about Netscape 7.x vs. WamCom Mozilla 1.3.1 on MacOSs 8.6-9.2.2:

Netscape 7.02 - the most advanced version of Netscape that is available for MacOS 9.x.x - was released on 2/13/2003.  It was based on the Mozilla 1.0.2 browser, which was released on 12/20/2002.  So - the browser of the latest version of Netscape that will run on MacOS 9.x.x is already over a year old.  It is no longer "secure" - i.e., there are known security exploits.  And Netscape 7.02 will not be updated - all support for Netscape development on the MacOS 9.x.x platform has ceased.  Ended.  Finis.  R.I.P.

Mozilla 1.3.1 was released on 5/07/03.  Mozilla 1.4, 7/01/2003.   Most recent release (with a bug fix) of WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1, a mix of Mozilla 1.3.1 and 1.4,  was released on 7/23/03.  No known security holes at this point of which I am aware (which does not mean there are not any).  Kai Engert has stated that he will continue development of WaMCom 1.3.1 for MacOS 8.6-9.2.2.

If holes pop up in WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1 and development ceases, options will then include iCab and Opera - or finally going to MacOS 10.3.x or 10.4.x or whatever - or going Yellow Dog Linux - or looking to other platrforms.

Lotsa options.  Whatever fits your style.


As to the incompatibilities you are finding between WaMCom Mozilla 1.3.1 and URL Manager - I dunno URL Manager and cannot advise.  My regrets.

But why don't you give Kai Engert a buzz on the matter?

Can't hurt.

Might help.  :-)


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