How did you partition your Hard Drive for OSX and OS9

[Gary S]

Bill,

Although i have to say that dealing with the people at PowerMax was basically a good experience, when I asked about which CD's I'd be getting she didn't have a clue other than to tell me I'd be getting a copy of 9.2.2 OSX.2 and as far as the PowerMac G4 install CD, she didn't know but she guessed I would. She said she wasn't sure what Apple included and that she had no control over it anyways. I figure since I get the free 30 days from Apple I can call them and ask for one if I don't get it......wether the'll send me one is a different story. i'll let you know when it comes in.

Thanks everybody!

[Bill]

Keep me informed.

[Gary S]

I will do that Bill.

[kps]

Gary, what do you think of the idea of not partitioning for a while? Giving it a go with classic only. I would think you're still keeping your current OS 9 machine?

[taliesin]

Gary, you know that I know that you know how to do it, but I remember how nervous I was first time round.  
Karl, you surprised me there, then I re-read what you said about the other machine. However, I've also taken note of Randy's arguments for not partitioning.
A choice among expert views.  
Thomas, you're stuck with it, but I've never worked with an external drive and somebody may know how to avoid some of those consequences.
Short of starting over, are there ways you can shed or move stuff to save space? For instance, there are utilities to get rid of unwanted languages and I don't keep my music on the X partition.

[kelly]

Sure there's reasons not to Partition. For one. It's easier. You don't have to do anything.  

And then there's....

I'm not sure. Just always seems to work for me.  

Gary. The first thing you need to do is Download Carbon Copy Cloner.

http://www.bombich.com/software/ccc.html

If you have another Drive you can put in the 933 for a bit, either one with

a big enough Partition already, probably under 5 Gigs, or one you can

Reformat that's that big, you can use CCC to move everything from the original

to the other Drive, Reformat and Partition the original, and move the original

stuff back to a Partition. Then pull the second Drive if you like.

The thing is, you can do this at any time.

As long as you have a second Drive with enough free space to do it.

I did multiple Partitions. One with OS X and OS 9.x, the original Install.

One with OS 9.x only. Others for Data.

If you have 60 Gigs, you could do 20 Gigs for OS X. With a Lean OS 9 or not.

10 Gigs for OS 9.x

30 Gigs for Data.

Just my 2.

[kps]

Nick, I surprised myself.    

I'm a firm believer in partitioning, and at one time I had all my drives on the G4 tower at max allowable partitions. (OS X, OS 9, Linux, Linux boot, swap/scratch/vm, doc, downloads, programs, etc, etc.)

But when I got the G4 Powerbook, I elected not to wipe the  60G HDD and partition. I can't boot OS 9, so that's not an issue and classic is installed along side the OS X system. Fragmentation may be a concern down the road.

My thoughts ran more toward Gary getting to know the system first, to see how it fits his workflow, as is, and using his older machine as a pure OS 9 system for a while.
I believe he does regular backups, so if after a month or two, he feels he needs to partition, it should be a 'piece of cake' to do it.

[Bill]

Gary S.
What I'm about to tell you is (((BY FAR))) the most important thing you should do with your new 'puter. SO PAY ATTENTION!!

Find some very,very soft facial tissue.The ones they use in hospitals work great.
Maybe Rob W can help you there.?. Don't just settle for one box,buy a case of boxes because you'll need them all eventually anyways.

You're new 'puter has those clear plastic [shinny] carrying handles on all corners.
Keep those puppies shinny Gary S!!! - Especially the top front one! -  

All the inners,logic board,mother board processor,ram dimms,drive bays etc etc are expendable. They can be replaced for a some what low cost. Think I read the logic board runs around $500/$600 or was it the mother board.?.

What's important is when ya come home and pull the cover off your 'puter,you see a nice shinny handled computer. Whether it works or not ... who cares.  
If ya had one of those bad days ... perks you right up with a big-o-smile.  

Spend the $60/$80 on that case of facial tissue Gary S.
In the long run you'll thank me.  

.

Now if you'll excuse me,I have to feed Bruno so I can go pay my gas bill and few other bills.
Bruno isn't too pleased with coming out of retirement.

See me.

[Gary S]

I'm cutting and pasting all these posts so I have them as Simpletext docs to refer to.

kps,
I am keeping the Beige G3 500 -OS9 machine and will probably get most of my work done on it for a while, while I figure out what to do with the G4. I know my 13 yr old is going to want to play his games on it right away       , he's just goinnna have to grin and bear it until I get things set up    

When it arrives, I'll fire it up to see what version of OSX it has on it(it may have OSX.0 on it for all I know). It comes with 256mb Ram and I have 2-512 sticks of 133 sitting here I'll install to see if they work, attach the monitor and Apple Pro speakers to see if they work etc.

Then I may just play around with it like you said and get used to it.
Eventually i want to partition.

I do have a 15 Gig Maxtor 5400 sitting here that I took out of my beige G3 when I put the 40gig 7200 in. It's a slow drive but I suppose I could hook that up in the new G4 and put a 9.2.2 System on that too.

One thing that bothers me now is that I have no way to transfer files between the two computers except by burning CDs. I have an internal Zip on the Beige G3 but the G4 has none.
I also need to do the networking thing to get internet access from my cable modem.....(my other thread).

I'm just developing stratagies from all of you. There's so much knowledge on this board. I consider myself lucky.
I'm going to try and take it one step at a time and see what develops.

$ is becoming a concern. My wife wants new carpeting in the living room and she's keeping close tabs on the bucks.      

I went to look for routers last night and she said I had to wait.
     

Then there's the cost of all that good kleenex Billsuggested! I think I'll get that at Big Lots    

TAFATHEveryone.

Never Fear! Techsurvivors is here!  
 
 [ 03-08-2003, 12:29 PM: Message edited by: Gary S ]

[Gary S]

Rob,

You know my position too well!

Sam says he might let me use it from time to time if I buy him a bebe gun.

[kelly]

Gary. Why not a simple Crossover Cable for Filesharing?    

Until you get your Router. Then that will do it.

[kps]

That's what I was getting at, Gary, partitioning is very much a personal thing, based on individual needs.

Once you're using OS X, try to do some serious work --replicate your work (and play) flow. Once you see and understand where OS X wants to install apps, store documents, iTunes data, iPhoto data, user data, etc. How it behaves with a secondary or an external drive and all that...then you'll have an idea how to partition and what size to make the partitions to best suit YOU.

Who knows, maybe you'll never create that OS 9 partition.

[Gary S]

Kelly,

A crossover cable sounds good. How do you do that.

I'm leaning towards a wired router I think. I'll just drill a couple of holes in the floor and run the cable down the basement. It looks like a spiderweb down there anyways, I have so many cables and stuff nailed to the joists.

Kps,

Your a wise man......I'll be goin with the flow for sure!
"Who knows, maybe you'll never create that OS 9 partition."              
 
 [ 03-08-2003, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Gary S ]

[kelly]

You go buy a length of Cat 5 Crossover Cable and plug it into each machines Ethernet Port.  

How far apart will the two machines be?

You could go 100 yards if you had to.

10' or so cable is easy to find. Under $10 if you're lucky.

Buy it at any computer type store or find deals online.

http://www.atpm.com/network/setup/ethernet..._crossover.html

http://www.atpm.com/network/files/file_sharing.htm

Get the Crossover Cable and get back to us.

[Bill]

Gary S.
After reading Kellys post on crossover cable,I did a goggle search.
Waaaaaaaay to many sources to link. <gr> Below is just two.

http://www.a2zcables.com/a2zcables.storefr...EN/Catalog/1076

http://www.pccables.com/cgi-bin/orders6.cg...earch=CROSSOVER

Bestbuy is as always. One brand-lenth and high on price.
 

I might go that route myself.
What I've been doing is the old cdr or dvd bit between 'puters.  
One setup is in one room and the other is around 50 to 60 feet away in another room.
No fancy cable or dsl. So just straight connect from one to the other for transferring only.