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Offline Gary S

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« on: March 15, 2003, 02:52:00 PM »
OSX.1.2—OS9.2.2 on the same Hard Drive-Not partitioned yet.
Everything was working alright until this morning when we booted up the G4. When it booted up it stopped it froze at the happy Mac screen. It didn't boot into 10.

I had to pull the plug to reboot. I rebooted fine and then went and chose OS-X in the Start-up CP or application.

It rebooted fine. My son downloaded and installed AIM last night(without me knowing). He got on AIM and clicked on someone's name and a Kernel Panic occured.

I tried to boot from the Mac OS Install Disk # 1-OS10.2.1(different System than I'm running) but it wouldn't boot. I got a message to turn off the computer which I did. I was trying to boot from the disk to run the Disk Utility like it says to do in Pouge's book.

I'm on my G3 now. I disconnected the G4 and will install OS X.2.1 maybe tommorrow.

What do you do with that Kernel Panic deal? There was white type on black bars across the frozen screen.
It said kernel panic in there and it said something about something not being resolved from the last crash.    

I'm going out to get a second Hard Drive and buy some  more stuff.
I will check back when I get back.
TIA
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« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2003, 04:05:00 PM »
Never had a Kernel Panic. So I'm no help there.
By what you wrote,the cd OS is up a notch or whatever from what's installed.
Yes. Upgrade to the cds OS once you get settled down.

Bet ya Bernies umbrella <-sp? AIM has something to do with it.
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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2003, 04:21:00 PM »
My experience with kernel panics was that whenever I re-booted, my system was running fine again. The last time I had such event I was still running OS 10.1.4, though.
I know, probably not particularly helpful in your case.

If you have kernel panics more frequently (which seems to be the case), I would consider re-installing the OS on a clean (initialized) HD, though.

Does your G4 still boot up? Did you try to boot of the original system CDs? Or OS 9 CDs?
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2003, 05:29:00 PM »
Hi Gary,

One site that you should check out and bookmark (it's been discussed here before) is  this excellent site from Randy Singer. (Even though it's about Jaguar, I''m still lots of it would still apply to the OS you're using.)

I skimmed over the sections on Kernel Panics and as you'll see, he does mention issues related to RAM and USB devices. Check it out. Hope you can figure it out before you install Jaguar.
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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2003, 07:45:00 PM »
Gary, I have no idea what caused your kernel panic - I've only ever had one myself, and things righted themselves with a restart.

However, since you don't have much of anything loaded on the new G4, I'd wipe the drive, partition it (I keep 9 and X separate - and rarely use 9 these days) and install Jaguar, applying the updates from Apple to take you to 10.2.4. I don't know if AIM was the problem or not - I've never allowed it on my own machines.    Pete has it on his G3 running 9.2.1, but he knows that if he puts it on either of my machines Mom will not be happy.

As for booting from your install disk - if that doesn't work, start up the G4 - hold down the option key and choose OS 9 (hoping that works!), insert the install disk and proceed from there - if I remember correctly, you'll be told to restart after you indicate that you want to install OS X. From there you should be able to use the Disk Utilities to wipe the drive, partition and install.
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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2003, 08:07:00 PM »
Hi Gary,

I meant to add a part about AIM in my post above. FWIW, while I use iChat, my kids use AIM and I have the OSX version (version 4.5.947)on my machine and have never had the kernel panic problem.

As Paddy said, maybe a fresh start with Jaguar will take care of things for you.
 
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2003, 10:39:00 PM »
Thanks everyone.

I will follow Paddy's advice. I'll have a few days to get things in order and wipe the drive and install Jaguar.

I did run the Apple Hardware CD and did the long ram test and they came out clean.

Well I bought a router and that will help once I get both macs on the net also. At least then I can post as I go.      

The new Mac is nice but not when it's not working.

Maybe tommorrow, or the next day.

Thanks again. Keep on truckin!      

I have to get some sleep. Don't ya just hate it when the first thing you hear in the morning is, "Dad, the new computer isn't working.            

Paddy,
I'm glad your around.       Maybe you can come over and  have a short talk with my son.      He doesn't seem to want to listen to me!  
 
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2003, 11:50:00 PM »
Ahhh, nothing like your first kernel panic. A pre Jaguar kernel panic no less.  

Gary, you have a great machine, with a great system...a system where only an authorized person (the admin) can install software, where other users have to login to their own space...take advantage of that.
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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2003, 07:47:00 AM »
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Originally posted by kps:
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Gary, you have a great machine, with a great system...a system where only an authorized person (the admin) can install software, where other users have to login to their own space...take advantage of that.
Great advice, kps! Now Gary, if only a friend had called you with that advice before...
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2003, 08:56:00 AM »
For long time Mac users it's not all that easy to see the advantages of a full multi-user OS. Some actually resent it.

So Apple has shipped it to auto login the primary user, usually the one with the admin privileges.

Gary, I think it's great you let your son use your new computer and I know logging in and out may seem like a pain, but after you follow Paddy's good advice --create a non-admin account for all who will be sharing the machine and turn off autologin.

Your other users will not only get their own space, but will have their own preferences, etc. Leaving your's intact. They can perform downloads, but won't be able to install any of it until you allow it.

I also think you'll see a drastic improvement with Jaguar over 10.1.2. After installing Jag, run the Software Update utility right away to update the system, system security as well as all the iApps.

Above all, have fun with it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2003, 09:06:00 AM »
While I agree that multi-users is a good idea so that Gary has full control over the apps installed on his Mac, I am not quite sure if that will prevent Gary's Mac from kernel panicing at the moment as from what I heard and experienced the kernel panics are caused by incompatibility and instability of certain system compontents or apps. And as those apps and components are already installed it might be too late.

I believe it is best to wipe the HD clean and start over. Once a fresh copy of OS X is installed the multiple users will (hopefully) prevent Gary from having further kernel panics.
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2003, 09:13:00 AM »
Have only known Jaguar. But from everything I've read it's much better.  

Have had two Kernal Panics in 6 months. Just rebooted and Repaired Permissions.

Yesterday, for the first time, I had a solid Freeze. Couldn't Force Quit or anything else.

Just a freaky combinations of the Apps I was running and quiting I think.

Two Kernal Panics and one Freeze in 6 months is probably acceptable.
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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2003, 11:31:00 PM »
Kernnel or Kernal? I searched before and found Kernal.  

Apple though says Kernel.

This is the only one I've seen.

 

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106227
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2003, 12:29:00 PM »
Kernel panics are generally caused by hardware conflicts, but badly written software can cause them as well. The only 3rd party software which should be accessing the kernel space are device drivers and there are strict guidelines set out by Apple to those writing these.

I'm not saying AIM was or was not responsible, there's no way for me to confirm that either way, but if it was...then there are some options to ensure that compatible software is always installed. This version AIM may be for Jag and caused a problem with 10.1.2. It could have been a loose USB connection on the keyboard or mouse,...or a driver that failed to load properly...

kelly, well, apparently with UNIX users it's kernel and with LINUX users it's kernal.

If that is an official explanation, I know not.
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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2003, 02:02:00 PM »
Thanks for your replies.    

I'm now going to set up the G4 in the kitchen and seeif I can erase the disk and partition it. then I'll try to install Jaguar.

I didn't buy a new hard drive so I only have the one that came with the machine.

I'll be back.
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