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« on: April 02, 2003, 10:03:00 PM »
Beige G3...Rev C...OS 9.1...ATI TwinTurbo 128/8MB video...

Bought ATI Radon 7000/32MB video.  
Installed Radon software from disk (OS 9x version).
Shut down...Removed TwinTurbo and installed Radon.
Booted.

Everything seemed fine...Did some work in graphic apps...

THEN...Opened Remote Access...Attempted to connect via US Robotics 56k dial-up.
Got error message -2804  

Shut down...Check all connections...Rebooted...
Froze at ATI (second inuit) extension.  

Three finger re-boot...Froze at Graphics accelerator extension (third inuit).  
I noticed the Graphics accelerator extension was now enabled where it was disabled before starting this mess. I'd had problems before.

Three finger re-boot...Shift key disabled extensions.
Froze at welcome to, extensions disabled window.
Rebooted...Gray screen    ...
Rebooted...Gray screen    

Had to shut down via the 'puter's switch.    
Removed Radon...Replaced TwinTurbo...Gray Screen.  
Shut down ('puter switch)...Cuda'ed...Prammed...Restarted...gray screen.

Shut down.
Took an aspirin and a nap...

YAWN!... Booted fine...Noticed accelerator extension again disabled... Emailed client art files. WHEW!
Upgraded to OS 9.2.1.

Going to try again, but wanted to run this by you folks first. (was going to use the "paranoid" smilie here, but I think I've used my limit.)

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2003, 10:47:00 PM »
I've got the same card in my Beige G3 Running 9.2.2 /if I remember correctly Os 9.2.1 is recommended. Any hoo, Here's some info. http://www.ati.com/support/products/mac/ra...tionissues.html
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2003, 11:41:00 PM »
Thanks Bernie...

I downloaded the update and will try again. I'm at 92.1 now...We'll see.

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« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2003, 04:16:00 AM »
No good...

Tried it again with 9.2.1. When I tried to install the v208 update, the 'puter froze 3 seconds after I started.

Removed Radon card and Hooked up the old 17 inch Apple to the on board video.

Finally got it to boot...Antsy.

Switched start-up drives to my backup with 9.1. Wouldn't boot.
Disabled extentions after forced restart. Booted fine.

Ran Norton on the main drive and Norton found "Major error, start-up check". Fixed it. Ran Norton again...minor problems fixed. Ran Norton a third time...No Problems found.

Could it be the Problem is fixed and I should    try again? Or is the card just bad?

Working fine now but no Video card.
I need it for my 21 inch ViewSonic. (.21 dot pitch     )

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« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2003, 05:56:00 AM »
Hey Snuff, I have a IX micro ultimate REZ in a G3 A and have had a little trouble with it. 4 yrs. ago.

You may want to look in your startup folder to see if there’s a extension in there, remove it. Then look for anything related to IX3D RAVE or Driver or Memory manager in the ext. folder and drag it to the disabled folder. (your exts. may have slightly different names, the icons are similar) Reboot, if your still having trouble you may have toasted your system file, you can swap that with a backup, if you boot from another source. Conflict Catcher would find the problem, it did for me anyway, and it’s the only utility I have that will locate a damaged system file. Good Luck!

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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2003, 06:04:00 AM »
Don't know if any this might help Snuffy... but I found this on ATI's driver page:

http://www.ati.com:80/support/products/mac/radeon7000/os9/radeon7000maceditionos9 drivers.html://http://www.ati.com:80/support/produ...s9 drivers.html://http://www.ati.com:80/support/produ...s9 drivers.html://http://www.ati.com:80/support/produ...s9 drivers.html://http://www.ati.com:80/support/produ...s9 drivers.html://http://www.ati.com:80/support/produ...s9 drivers.html://http://www.ati.com:80/support/produ...s9 drivers.html

I have always had ATI video cards and      them... unfortunately my experience in ironing out problems with them runs more to Windows where I've been through a few upgrades by choice. My PB's come with ATI's, not upgradeable.

From what I can tell is to make sure you have at least v1.2.2 of OpenGL which you should with OS9.2.1...

I have heard "stuff" floating around re: v1.2.2 of OpenGL being problematic... in which case you can get the OS9.2.2 upgrade and if you prefer not to install the whole upgrade, you can just extract the components needed with TomeViewer... this will give you I believe OpenGL v1.2.4.

Another place to check out:

http://www.os9forever.com/os9helper.html

I "hope" you find something useful in all this... it's a bit of fishing in the dark for me on the Mac...

Ooops SB beat me to it...  
 
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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2003, 09:58:00 AM »
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« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2003, 03:05:00 PM »
Been working om this thing since 10PM yesterday and I've done everything I can think of.

I've had it in and out of the 'puter at least 7 or 8 times (lost count).

Uninstalled the ATI software...Re-installed the ATI software...Installed the ATI update.

And it still freezes at a fifth of the progress bar and after the first inuit rears its ugly head.

Take the card out...put the TwinTurbo 8 back in and runs great.

Haven't had this much stress since my boys were teens.

Gotta be a bad card. I'll get in touch with MacWarehouse tommorrow.

Going to bed now. ZZZZZ

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« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2003, 03:36:00 PM »
Snuffy,
I have the same Card in my Beige unit, running OS9.1.

I happened to save the fix in a SimpleText doc.:

 I run a Radeon PCI Mac Edition 32 MB DDR card in my
                PM8500/Newer 500 MHZ G3 CPU machine, under Mac OS 9.1.
                I am using the latest Radeon software drivers with
                OpenGL 1.2.4. The ATI extensions are dated 07/08/02 and
                require OpenGL 1.2.2 or later. I got the OpenGL stuff
                by downloading Mac OS v 9.2.2 and using TomeViewer to
                extract the OpenGLEngine, Memory, Library, and Utility
                extensions v 1.2.4 from the System Software folder in
                the Installer. ATI provides the OpenGLRendererATI
                extension v 1.3.3 in their download package. All these
                extensions seem happy together on my computer.

I don't know what site I got the info from but it works.

So you need these: OpenGL version 1.2.4 from OS9.2.2

OpenGLRenderer-ATI version 1.3.3 comes with the RADEON-0207
OpenGLLibrary
OpenGLMemory
OpenGLRenderer
OpenGLUtility
OpenGLEngine

These get installed from the RADEON installer.

ATI 3D Accelerator
ATI 8500 3D Accelerator
ATI RADEON 3D Accelerator
ATI Rage 128 3D Accelerator
OpenGLRendererATI
ATI Graphics Accelerator
ATI Video Accelerator
ATI Video Digitizer
ATI Resource Manager
ATI Extension
ATI Mac2TV Monitor
ATI ROM Xtender
ATI Guide
ATI Displays Control Panel

Here's a copy of the email The guy above sent me:

1) With your Rage Orion still installed, replace your active OpenGL extensions
"OpenGL Engine," "OpenGL Library," "OpenGL Memory," and "OpenGL Utility" with
the new versions. Leave whatever version of "OpenGLRendererATI" is active now,
because the ATI Installer will replace it with v 1.3.3 (if you have the July
2002 ATI software driver package).

2) Run the ATI Installer and then shut down your computer. Hopefully this will
make active all the required extensions the next time you boot.

3) Replace your Rage Orion card with the new ATI Radeon 7000 card.

4) Boot your computer and open your Extensions folder. Hopefully everything will
be working properly, so now you can either trash or move to your "Disabled
Extensions" folder the extensions "OpenGL Renderer" (not used by the Radeon
card), "Built-In Graphics Accelerator" (function is replaced by "ATI Graphics
Accelerator"), "ATI 3D Accelerator" (not used; "ATI Radeon 3D Accelerator" is
the only one you need), "ATI Rage 128 3D Accelerator" (ditto). You absolutely
need "ATI Radeon 3D Accelerator" and "ATI Resource Manager." If your displayed
text is messed up, don't panic; see 5) below!

5) I am something of a minimalist, so I also have disabled the "ATI Displays"
control panel and the associated "ATI Extension" which supports it, the "ATI
Video Accelerator" (I don't use it), and the "ATI ROM Extender." (My ROM is a
hardware ROM, and keeping "ATI ROM Extender" as an active extension screws up
all my displayed text big time. I don't remember your Mac model, so you may need
it if your computer's "ROM" is in software.)

6) You will note in the ATI software ReadMe file, that ATI recommends the use of
QuickDraw 3D RAVE version 1.6, since the version 1.7 apparently causes problems
on some Macs with the latest Radeon drivers. In case you are running some other
version than 1.6, I have attached v 1.6 here. (FWIW, both versions work fine on
my PM8500/Newer Maxpower 500 MHz G3 CPU.)

Snuffy,

I had a Rage Orion in mine when I put the RADEON in so just substitute Rage Orion for your existing TwinTrubo card in the text.

If you need all this stuff I can email it to you if you want. I have it stuffed. It's 3.7 MB.

Let me know.  
 
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« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2003, 03:55:00 PM »
Snuffy...ya gotta get those Inuits out of your 'puter...no telling what they're doing in there. Could be igloos all over the place...    

Sorry...couldn't resist.  

Not much useful to add to this discussion, except that it sounds like a bad card. Gary S. has the same card in his G3 and has had no problems AFAIK. The 8500 drivers were being used by people who couldn't get a 2nd monitor to work with the 7000, in OS X - it would seem you can't even get ONE monitor to work, in OS 9.

Only one other thing I can think of - which you may have already tried. Have you tried starting up with all extensions disabled EXCEPT the ATI extensions? Since you can't even start up with the ATI card in there, I assume that you would have to get this all set up with your old video card installed. Create a new set of extensions as noted, select it as your startup set, shut down, put the ATI card in and restart. Worth a try, if you haven't done it already. If that doesn't work, I think you can rest assured that it isn't an extension conflict.

You've probably already poked around the ATI site, but this bit has useful info on how to get ATI drivers etc. uninstalled:

http://www.ati.com/support/faq/macos/macos...9uninstall.html

ATI also suggests that if you can't start up with extensions off, that you may have a corrupt OS. Have you tried booting from a CD with the card installed? Again, worth a try, just to rule out that possibility.

http://www.ati.com/support/faq/macos/macos...os9startup.html
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« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2003, 04:27:00 PM »
Snuffy,

Sorry that post turned out so long.    

Let me try and simplify.

1)Your going to need the OpenGL 1.2.4 extentions from OS9.2.2. I have them if you need them. I think the OS9.2.2 d/l is pretty hefty.

2) Download this set of ATI extentions if you already don't have them. I use these:  July RADEON Divers

Leave your old card in the machine and swap the Open GL extensions, just drop them in your extensions folder.
Leave whatever version of "OpenGLRendererATI" is active now,
because the ATI Installer will replace it with v 1.3.3 (if you have the July
2002 ATI software driver package).
3) Run the ATI Installer and then shut down your computer. Hopefully this will
make active all the required extensions the next time you boot.
4) Replace your Turbo card with the new ATI Radeon 7000 card.
5) Boot it up and it should work, unless it's a bad card.

Let me know if you want me to send you those OpenGL 1.2.4 extensions package that also includes the Quickdraw and ATI extensions you need. I'd be happy to do it and it's alot smaller than The 21.3mb 9.2.2 download. I have a feeling you may have a pretty up to date version of the ATI installer,
but they're in there too.
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2003, 10:39:00 PM »
Wow Snuff, I surely missed the boat on that one, the Twin Turbo through me.
IXMicro and ATI seem to make the same named product and I jumped the gun.
If your able to reinstall the old board and function OK, the System file wasn’t touched.
On my G3 the stock card is an ATI type, do you still run a factory card as well as it’s  software? ATI?

I had tried to install a third monitor on a ATI card a few years ago now, and the extensions got in the way damaging my system file. I could run one or the other with the factory board turned on but not both. Since it was an experiment and a free card I wrote it off as a bad idea. Hope my earlier post didn’t distract you.

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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2003, 12:38:00 AM »
Thanks everyone...I LOVE you guys.  

I hate to stop in the middle of a project and tend to keep at it until it's finished or I fall asleep at the drawing board. Some of you may have noticed the odd hours I keep...All day, all night and all day again on occasion.

Thank the gods of software some of you are up when I am.

I'll give it another shot...I saved this post and others in SimpleScript and am printing it out.

I have two monitors connected now. Went out and bought a ViewSonic GS773 17 inch(.22 DP) $80...One of the big eBay sellers is in Omaha.

It's a double for it's big brother. Hooked it up to the 6 MB on-board video of the G3. The 21 inch is connected to the 8 MB TwinTurbo (sticks-out-tongue-and-does-a-rasberry smilie).
They sure look great together.  
When I'm stressed, I go buy something. Sure gettin' a lot of stuff around here.

I took a break last night to make certain my 'puter was OK and made a mopping-forehead-WHEEW! smilie.

You may or may not see it.

Thanks Bernie...Whoever you are.

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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2003, 01:20:00 AM »
Well good luck, I run dual Viewsonics myself, it's a "pair" that will beat a "full house"!