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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2009, 01:11:34 PM »
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Report here says Susan Boyle is favourite with the bookies at 8/13 (I'm not a gambler - apart from Lotto - so the figures mean little to me, but apparently they are very "short" odds)
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2009, 01:45:36 PM »
I've not watched the American Idols program over here, but they apparently require the contestants to sing a different genre each week. I assume the producers select the genre and the contestant picks a song to sing. Does BGT not do something like that? It seems Susan is sticking to Andrew Lloyd Webber, not a bad choice, IMHO... whistling.gif
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2009, 04:10:18 PM »
Go Susan!!!!!! I didn't think this performance was as strong as the first one, but it was still great!

So why not as strong? I think because she wasn't herself. All this is just my opinion, but the first time she seemed comfortable with herself - her looks, her clothes, her song, herself. This time she was "fancied up" (hair, makeup and dress) and she just didn't seem at ease. I realize it could all be nerves from what was at stake, but that's just the way it all came across to me.

I'm hoping she wins it all -- because she has a lovely voice and I like to see normal folks rise above and do well.

Oh, and I'm sooooo sick of all the media outlets that keep saying, "The frumpy Susan ... "  mad.gif mad.gif mad.gif

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2009, 04:37:33 PM »
Didn't see it myself, but I understand that went out genuinely live - that is, she was singing at the very moment she was seen on TV. So no editing, or second takes. But I know what Kim means.....
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2009, 08:38:38 PM »
This discussion has touched on an aspect of our Entertainment Industry [in particular musical performers] that I remember noticing as it became prevalent in the 1990s and has continued to this day.  

In the Fifties, Sixties, and Seventies*, one's ability as a musician/singer/songwriter/performer was the standard by which new, aspiring 'talents' were judged.  How you looked was a secondary consideration [if that].  Beginning in the Eighties, a person's aesthetic appeal was added to the criteria, so that in order to 'make it', you had to not only be truly Talented, you had to be Good-Looking as well.

With close to thirty years of this being The Way Things Are, we have become accustomed to our Stars all being pretty/handsome as well as musically gifted.  

It is into this mix that we find ourselves surprised that someone like Susan Boyle, who is wonderfully talented yet aesthetically 'plain', should ascend the same World Media Stage as the 'beautiful' artists and performers we have been spoon-fed by the Media moguls all these years.

I fervently hope that this pendulum is beginning to swing back the other way.

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* I seriously doubt that musical giants such as Buddy Holly, Roy Orbison, Don and Phil Everly, Mama Cass, Bob Dylan, Ray Charles, Ella Fitzgerald, Paul Simon/Art Garfunkle, Mick Jagger/Keith Richards, just to name a few, would have achieved their respected places in Popular Music if they had 'come up' in the last twenty years.
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« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2009, 01:40:44 AM »
There was a TV documentary over here a little while back about how Britain came to love the Blues. Back in the late 50s/early 60s we had only two TV channels, one BBC, one commercial, and both very mainstream, with music shows few and far between; so it was through radio and records that we got most "popular" music - which meant the artist's appearance was rarely considered. One UK Blues player (can't remember who) said when the first Blues tour came over here some people were surprised to find the musicians were black. The music really was the important thing back then.

Someone's edited Keith Richards's comments together for a YouTube video

If anyone wants to watch out for the whole 90-minute programme being shown in the US, its title over here was "Blues Britannia - Can Blue men play the Whites?"
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2009, 05:21:12 AM »
This is Britain's "Got Talent" show and not the same as the "Idol" show. The US version is called "America's Got Talent" and I think the next season will be seen over the summer. Um, yup, just Googled and found this:

http://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent/


As to Kenny's mention of how looks have become so important, note that it coincides with the advent of MTV.  Before that we really didn't much care what the singers looked like. MTV changed the expectations.  Thinking.gif


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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2009, 07:09:11 AM »
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This discussion has touched on an aspect of our Entertainment Industry [in particular musical performers] that I remember noticing as it became prevalent in the 1990s and has continued to this day.  

In the Fifties, Sixties, and Seventies*, one's ability as a musician/singer/songwriter/performer was the standard by which new, aspiring 'talents' were judged.  How you looked was a secondary consideration [if that].  Beginning in the Eighties, a person's aesthetic appeal was added to the criteria, so that in order to 'make it', you had to not only be truly Talented, you had to be Good-Looking as well.

With close to thirty years of this being The Way Things Are, we have become accustomed to our Stars all being pretty/handsome as well as musically gifted.  

It is into this mix that we find ourselves surprised that someone like Susan Boyle, who is wonderfully talented yet aesthetically 'plain', should ascend the same World Media Stage as the 'beautiful' artists and performers we have been spoon-fed by the Media moguls all these years.

I fervently hope that this pendulum is beginning to swing back the other way.

Kb cool.gif

* I seriously doubt that musical giants such as Buddy Holly, Roy Orbison, Don and Phil Everly, Mama Cass, Bob Dylan, Ray Charles, Ella Fitzgerald, Paul Simon/Art Garfunkle, Mick Jagger/Keith Richards, just to name a few, would have achieved their respected places in Popular Music if they had 'come up' in the last twenty years.


Thanks Kenny, now I know, I'm probably too ugly to be famous!!! At least I can now live out the rest of my musical days in anonymity without worrying about it any more!!! rofl.gif laughhard.gif  (wishing I had a voice as good as Susan Boyle's!)

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2009, 10:00:28 AM »
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...how looks have become so important, note that it coincides with the advent of MTV.  Before that we really didn't much care what the singers looked like. MTV changed the expectations.


That's a compelling explanation for this phenomenon; it certainly corresponds with the beginnings of this trend [mid-eighties].

But I'm still left with a suspicion that some people carefully engineered a deliberate 'beautification program' on popular singers and artists almost across the board *


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* Some noteworthy exceptions come to mind: I was glued to the tube during MTV's early years, and I clearly recall that some artists began to use this new medium as more than a staged/simulated live-performance video.  Micheal Jackson, Huey Lewis, and Billy Joel, and I'm sure I'm forgetting other notables, were artists whose music videos were very much like mini-musicals [driven and propelled by the music, and in some cases the lyrics as well...intrrupted, more later]

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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2009, 10:07:22 AM »
I think it came well before MTV. When one listened to the radio (yep, that's what some us remember doing!) or a phonograph (born a little late for the wax cylinders...), one had no idea what anyone looked like. Like reading, one can/must always use the imagination to create an image of that 'voice.' TV made things so much easier on the brain. rolleyes.gif

Of course, ugly people (I'm thinking of what I saw when I awoke this morning and looked in the mirror!) still had a problem in most areas of 'entertainment,' side shows excepted. wallbash.gif I can still remember listening to a couple of local guys on a three-hour radio program back in the early 60's. One was the 'straight man,' of course, but the program was not only hilarious but imaginative, entertaining, intelligent and the music was outstanding (lots of big bands...). Anyway, after college, they moved on to TV. Yikes!!! The guys with the velvety, well articulated, almost accent-free (and certainly not Southern, anyway) voice, turned out to have a pock-marked face! eek2.gif Who wanted to look at that?! dntknw.gif Who cared what he sounded like? Who watched TV with their eyes closed (back then, anyway...)?

No more of that! Even the radio 'jocks' have to have an 'appealing' countenance. Remember, their faces will be plastered all over the country on billboards...

Thank goodness for people like Bob & Ray, Harry Shearer and Stiller & Meara... OK, none of them are really 'ugly,' but you get the idea. laughhard.gif
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« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2009, 10:44:34 AM »
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I think it came well before MTV...none of them are really 'ugly,'...

Jim, you might be correct that the seeds of this trend were sown back in the Fifties with the spread of TV itself, but this 'you can't make it big unless you're cute' is much more recent than that, and seems more prevalent among musical performers than other entertainers [there are still plenty of successful actors/comedians who can be described as 'at least a little funny looking'].  

And you reminded me of a phrase I've heard used to describe an aspiring TV person whose looks were not up to TV's aesthetic standards: "She/he has a face made for radio."  As I've become a major consumer of Podcasts over the last couple o' years, I've broadened that idea to include writers/narrators who "have a voice made for printed media."

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« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2009, 12:38:46 PM »
Hey, with that captivating smile and personality, and that absolutely outstanding voice, I'll watch her anyday!!!

I would love to see her cut a CD with the following songs, although she probably couldn't because of locked in contracts.

But here goes with a list:

Andrew Lloyd Weber:
• Several songs from Evita (can't find the album)
• Memory from Cats
• Duets with Michael Crawford

The Power of Love

Or any duets from Les Miserables

And a bunch of others

Come on Susan, send chills up and down my spine!

I would buy her album in a minute, or go to see her in concert in Cleveland! Up close!!!

Or watch her any day on TV!

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« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2009, 01:40:51 PM »
Go take a cold shower, Jack. rofl.gif

Or, better yet, go to the kitchen and make some more brownies! yum.gif
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« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2009, 02:04:46 PM »
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Or, better yet, go to the kitchen and make some more brownies! yum.gif


And then send them to ABD. laugh.gif

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