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« on: December 06, 2006, 10:18:11 PM »
Yep, they were here today.

We’ve had more than enough excitement today (Wednesday). At around 8:15 there was an explosion about a mile and a half from my office. I heard what sounded like a truck hitting our building, but it wasn’t anything of the sort. Three people at the site of the blast were killed, and another is still in critical condition. That was free....

Then, little did we know, sometime between when our son left for his “day job” and when he returned at about 3:30 (between jobs) someone got into the house and made off with a few things. They did not “ransack” the place, in fact they left most things undisturbed. They got in through the little garage door, somehow without doing any damage to the lock. We assume that the dead bolt was not locked.

They took our son's iBook and some change in a large glass (more that “half full”) from his room. And they took my wife's purse from the laundry room. The other “major” loss was some gifts that were wrapped and stashed in a closet. They also took 2 rolls of quarters off of the kitchen counter, and possibly something out of the coat closet, but we aren’t sure about that.

Of course, the laptop was the most costly thing taken, but the stuff in the purse will cause the most headaches. The thief did use all three credit cards, but they are cancelled now. We’ll have to use cash, or the one card that she did not have in her purse. I don’t think her social security number was on anything in the purse, but she’s not sure. Her insurance cards do not have the SSN on them anymore. Can you say identity theft?

So it will take a few weeks before we’re done with this, assuming the scoundrel(s) can’t do any more damage now that the cards won’t be valid. They can check out books from the library if they want to. And my wife will have to get a new driver’s license. But, we’re fine, just a little angry.

Hope all of you had a better day. Our insurance will cover all of the things we lost, less our deductible. We'll pay that, and get our son a new Mac. (So this is Mac related.)
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2006, 10:41:10 PM »
Sorry to hear about your unfortunate day, Gregg! sad.gif

Make sure your wife calls all three of the credit bureaus and has a fraud alert put on each of her reports. This will prevent anyone from applying for instant credit (store credit cards etc.).

More info here, with links to all the credit bureaus:

http://www.ckfraud.org/credit.html

I went through all of this a few years ago when my wallet with all of my ID, credit cards AND $500 in cash was stolen from me at Logan airport. Not a good way to begin a vacation!!! I still had my passport, but my green card (essential for returning to the US) was gone. That one cost me $135 to replace, too! Needless to say, I'm a lot more cautious about how I carry money and documents when traveling - though in this case, I'm pretty sure that my purse was removed from the x-ray belt (it took forever to come through on the other end) and then replaced sans wallet. I now send one of the kids through to watch for our stuff while I stay outside the scanner until everything has passed inside.
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2006, 11:51:20 PM »
Oh, Gregg, what a miserable day! I feel for you.

I'm with Paddy - call the credit bureau's and put the fraud alert out. Contact your bank and advise them - they should have a fraud alert dept. I'd also file a notice with SS, just in case.

Also, your wife should call the library. You'd be surprised what can happen with a stolen library card - especially if they never return the items and you're liable for them.

Last but not least, you might buy one year of protection on your credit. We did it after Sneakers ID was taken in a computer hack with the state. Best money we spent.

Here's a tip I read somewhere ... once you get everything replaced from your wife's purse ... take the time to photocopy all the credit cards and other things she - and you - keep in your wallet, and make sure the contact numbers are written down on the paper. Stash that paper in a safe place. It will be a life saver if (and hopefully it won't) this should happen again.

Best of luck!
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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2006, 01:30:02 AM »
Gregg- Don't let the bastards get you down!

Here are some travel security tips based on personal experience; I hope someone finds them useful.

When we travel my wife and I wear "travel pouches" inside our clothing; they feel kind of funny at first but you get accustomed to it by the end of the first day. As long as you don't put metal objects in the puch there is no problem with getting through airport security. We prefer the belt-type pouches but others like the kind that hang around the neck.

When I am at the airport I place my ticket, picture ID and passport in a different pouch designed for essential travel documents that goes around the neck.  It can be tucked inside a shirt or jacket if it isn't needed.  As soon as I don't need the items anymore I duck into a bathroom stall in the airport or airplane and transfer my passport and drivers' license into the travel pouch.  I also keep my credit and ATM card there, along with any significant amount of cash that I might be carrying. My wallet stays at home where it belongs.

The only thing that goes into a pocket is walking-around money, which means $20-$40 or the local equivalent... Getting into a hidden travel pouch in public is awkward at best and can draw attention to the valuables it contains. (But it can be done, carefully... we don't always correctly anticipate suddden whims and ATM visits are followed by a travel-pouch deposit as soon as possible.) If I lose the cash in my pocket it is No Big Deal.

My wife may carry a small purse or use a fanny-pack, but nothing valuable goes inside.  She doesn't like the travel pouches but she grudgingly uses one. I use a nifty ergonomically-designed shoulder bag and/or a small fanny pack. I do carry a camera in those bags. I only show my camera when I am using it.

We travel light with one carry-on size convertible bag and one day-pack each. The convertible bags have stow-away backpack straps and strong wheels with sturdy telescoping handles.  We can navigate cobblestone streets and use pubic transportation without much fuss. We pack clothing, etc. in Eagle Creek packing cubes, a handy toiletry bag and small nylon bags. Everything fits into our carry-on bags and day-packs including purses, fanny-packs, shoulder bags, etc.  The day-packs hold our most valuable items until we arrive and begin day-tripping.  We use small metal "twist-locks" on all lockable zippers on the day-packs/shoulder bags/fanny packs; they can be found in camping stores and they resemble the carabeners that climbers use. They aren't fool-proof but they do take 3-4 twists to open and they cannot be easily cut. Thieves that target travelers are looking for easy marks who aren't paying attention; we cover each others back whenever we have to get into our luggage, deal with airport security or otherwise switch our attention from our surroundings to our bags or a map. In crowded spaces or busy tourist spots our day-packs/purse are switched to the front.  Our carry-ons just have clothing and toiletries and have TSA-approved locks just in case they have to be checked for some reason.

In some cases when I am carrying expensive photo or computer gear I take along a Pack Safe; the cable bags come in different sizes and they can be locked to immovable objects like a radiator or sink in a hotel or a baggage rack in a train or bus. They make it very difficult to get inside the bag or run off with it. Again, nothing is fool-proof but we try and make ourselves unattractive victims.

In our carry-on bags are photocopies of every document we are carrying in our travel pouches and day-packs: passports, picture ID, airplane tickets, bank/credit cards, contact info... EVERYTHING. We also take our packing lists; they're handy for getting ready for a trip as well as packing to return home. The packing lists include everything we carry and where we carry it; the only time I lose or misplace something while traveling is when I put it in a new location because I am feeling rushed or a bit lazy...  My wife and I carry duplicates of all the documents. (If we only have copies in one bag and it happens to be the bag that gets lost or stolen then we have a problem...) We also carry duplicate passport-size photos. At best getting the correct size pics made in a foreign country can eat up an hour or two of precious vacation time; in some locales it might be next to impossible. An itinerary with detailed contact info is placed in a prominent mesh pouch hanging inside our bags, and another copy is placed in a special bright yellow luggage tag on the outside. (Those intineraries are also given to our contacts at home.) We make sure to include contact info for each leg of our journey, so that a lost bag can catch up to us during our trip and not wind-up waiting for us back home. (The special tags can be purchased at Magellans.com.)  

This year we added a "luxury item:" a small cell phone that can receive and make calls in Europe and in the U.S..  We didn't use it but we were available 24/7 for emergencies back home plus we could use it if we needed to contact someone while traveling.  We prefer to use long distance phone cards purchased in Europe and local phones because the cost is dirt-cheap (a few cents per minute even for calls home) vs. $1.50- $2.00/minute when using the cell phone. Cell-phones with a removable "chip" can be used with chips purchased in Europe for a fraction of the cost of a U.S.-only chip phone and you get a European phone number too! (European cell phone companies don't have exclusive contracts like they do in the U.S. so there is more competition and switching carriers is much easier.) Instructions on how to unlock domestic cell phones so you can switch chips can be found online. I would only switch chips if I was staying for awhile and/or planning to use the cell phone a lot.

Returning from our last trip to Europe I was talking with a woman at the Seattle airport who told me that her husband was pick-pocketed in Rome.  $500 cash, ATM/credit card and passport All Gone.  He had placed the items in a front pants pocket with a velcro closure thinking that they were perfectly safe. Wrong!  Pick-pockets can be very good at what they do... Who knew that velcro could actually be quiet?

We aren't paranoid... just prepared. Our preparations mean that we can be more relaxed while traveling. And if something should happen, recovering from it will take as little time and effort as possible so that we can get on with our vacation ASAP.
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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2006, 03:45:16 AM »
That's lousy!  Believe it or not mid-afternoon is often a favorite time for thieves. Many people are at work and there's no one in the neighborhood to notice strange vehicles.

Only thing good about the thief... he showed taste in taking the iBook.  rolleyes.gif
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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2006, 05:23:11 AM »
Wow!  Sorry about all that.  What a day.

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2006, 06:49:04 AM »
Sorry to hear that.  Back, many years ago, I figured it was roughly $300 to replace the papers in my purse, and I was only 18.  Fortunately, insurance covered everything except cash.

Deepest sympathy.  But what a good reason to go Mac Shopping!
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2006, 07:37:35 AM »
Thanks for the sympathies, and the good advice. We have not missed anything of sentimental value as yet. The stuff that's gone can be replaced. It will be more difficult for some things, of course. The deductible is a chunk of change, but it's only money....
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2006, 10:34:28 AM »
Terrible, especially when you know some one has been 'visiting' without saying 'Thanks!'! We finally had our 8 year old alarm system connected to a monitoring service, crime is slowly moving from the urban areas out this way. And great travel info, Mayo, but it might be equally as important in the good ole US of A, even in your local area, especially around this time of year! sad.gif
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« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2006, 10:56:55 AM »
Gregg,


Sorry to hear it - I know how that can feel.

Kind of a violation.  But glad that things were not worse.

Thanks for the heads up.


A few hints for avoiding a repeat:


(1) A territorial dog.  Nothing is more effective.

Doesn't have to be a killer.  Just territorial.

I lived in an area where every house except two on the block was burgled (I like the sound of that word) at least once that year. Some twice.  "Mixed neighborhood." "Urban Renewal." "Revitalization." Whatever you want to call it.

Lotsa stories.

But to remain on topic - ours was one of the two houses that year on that block that was left untouched by burglars.

We had an inside dog.  So did the other house.

Burglars did not leave us a note, but it was our impression that they would generally just prefer to go on to the next house than to break into a house with a territorial barking dog.

It was easier.  And burglars do what is easier.


(2) "Operation Identification."  This is usually in conjunction with your local police department, but if they do not participate, you can likely try other sources (state or whatever).  Basically, the police have a kit - an etcher and a booklet and stickers for your door stating that you participate in Operation Identification.   You etch your valuables with your driver's license number, write 'em down in your booklet, photograph them - then put the stickers on your doors that you participate.  Then return the etcher to the police department.

Burglars see the sticker on your door and - if they can read - move on to the next house instead of burgling yours.  It is a practical issue for them - it is easier to fence stolen property if it doesn't have the numbers on it.

In one survey I saw in an area where one out of eight homes was burgled a year, only one out of eight thousand homes that was participating in Operation Identification was burgled in the same year.

It is my impression that Operation Identification is much more effective than stronger locks, etc.

Due to your experience I just called - our local police department "Community Affairs" department no longer participates in Operation Identification - they are now more into "Neighborhood Watch" and scaring kids about drugs and harassing sex offenders - but they still recommend etching your valuables and record keeping as a good idea.

I still would like the Operation Identification door stickers.  They were said to be as effective as Burglar Alarm Company stickers at keeping the baddies away - at no monthly fee for Operation Identification.  Hmm . . . maybe that is why the program is no longer offered here . . .


(3) Hardening your house.  Consumer Reports does a good report on house security every few years - I am sure that there are other good sources, as well.  Both strengthening the house defenses as well as burglar psychology.  Strengthening the doors and locks - strike plates for the door and 3-4" screws on locks and hinges and such (burglars don't generally pick locks, they usually just kick in the door  - you can make this much harder for them to do, and they may give up and go elsewhere). Timers on lights.  Leaving the TV on while gone during the day.  A car sitting out in the driveway instead of in the garage. Lotsa little things.

Learn to think like a burglar. Then make the house less inviting.


(4) Guns.  A mixed bag.

Last I looked at the stats, "home defense" guns were five or six more times more likely to be used on family members than on the bad guys.  Most gunshot wounds that I have dealt with have been secondary to arguments with "friends" and relatives - plus the occasional suicide attempt.  Gunshots involving robberies - less common - in my experience usually involve the white male victim being shot by a black male, usually associated with the victim's car breaking down somewhere, usually at night - usually a crime of opportunity that could happen to many people.  "They" know that white males may have a home defense weapon, but that white males are not generally "packing."

I expected policemen that I got to know in my work to advise me against owning a gun - after all, that is one more potential domestic violence call/suicide/whatever - but to my surprise I found them to be most encouraging, instead.  I guess in the dichotomy of "us against them," I had become one of "us." To the policemen with whom I spoke, the statistics about guns are useful as a broad brush, but they do not necessarily speak to the individual involved or to the specific situation.  The policemen advised learning on a 22 target pistol, which is what they practice with - only later moving up to larger hardware as I felt it appropriate.  They spoke highly of Rugers in regards to bang for the buck. Heavy for it's size - six inch target barrel.

I followed their advice.

Oh – stopping power from a pistol depends much more on barrel length than on powder charge – but that’s another story.


From another vantage point:

You may not think much about it, but here is a lot of burglary out in the country.  The bad guys can get in and out before any burglar alarm system people or rural police can get to the place.

E.R docs who live out in the country do so knowing that they are a target and that they are pretty much on their own. Those going the gun house defense route tend to favour legal relatively short barreled wide gauge shotguns over handguns.  Fatality rate of handgun wounds to the belly is about 20% (last I looked, but handguns do keep getting larger and more lethal).  Shotgun wound to the belly - 80% fatality - a surgeon can only patch so many holes. Plus - shotguns do have knock down power and you do not have to worry that much about accuracy - the idea being that you don't have to worry that much about aiming - just try for the center of gravity - but anything you hit will get the job done.  

It may give you insight into how ER docs think.  It is what they learn on the job.

These guys typically have specific house defense plans - go into bedroom, lock the door, activate the weapon, dial 911, hunker down quietly and keep an eye out for flashing red lights.  Do not be a hero.  I.e., do not go searching around your house at night for a mysterious noise with a shotgun in your hand - if there actually is a bad guy around, you just encourage early escalation - and a shotgun can be wrestled away from it's owner a lot easier than a handgun.  And you don't really want to shoot your dog, a guest making a late night snack, or a leaking water heater - it's embarrassing.


When I have been a housesitter at a rural mansion that had been burglarized three times - my job included that of guard - I followed the house plan idea of the ER docs, albeit with my trusty .22 Ruger.  I figured it would make some noise, anyway - otherwise it would probably just get me killed.  Plan: locked bedroom door / cocked gun / telephone 911 / watch for red flashing lights / don't be a hero.  Happily, my presence alone seemed to be sufficient - the plan never needed to be put into effect.  

But there were a number of cars that showed up at the end of that long, long driveway - drivers saying they were lost - when I happened to be there in the middle of the day – any of which might have been yet another burglar checking out the place.  Or maybe the same one come back again.

You just don't know.


Oh - a note on the house that had been burgled three times. The baddies took the electronic equipment, the silverware, the jewelry and the guns.  Repeatedly. They wait for you to put in your insurance claim and replace it all with brand new stuff, then they come back and get all your brand new stuff.  The only thing of value that they left alone through three burglaries was forty years of family pictures on the wall.  By the time of the third burglary, the family who owned the house decided that the family pictures were the only thing that they really cared about, anyway - and they stopped replacing the other things.

Also - the insurance people were raising their rates and getting pretty antsy - hence, my being there as housesitter.

The result: a huge house - I mean, every time I counted up the rooms, I came up with a different number - with one lousy dinky 13" television set off in a corner somewhere.  Those sorts of incongruities.  


Lesson - your friends will be back.  But they will wait for you to replace your computer and other stuff with newer ones, first.

Corollary - it might be time to be thinking of Operation Identification, a dog, hardening the house and/or a burglar alarm.

Guns are a whole 'nother story.  Not for warding off daytime burglaries when no one is at home, anyway - they would then be just one more thing to steal.  Guns are a different kind of call - lots depends on individual circumstances, the crime profile of your particular community and your police response times and your own inclinations.  I would not recommend them.  Nor do I tend to argue people out of them - unless there are children, adolescent males, or any hotheads or mentally ill/depressed types in the home - and modern life can get depressing, at times, for many people. A lot just depends on whether a person comes from a background where he is comfortable or uncomfortable with such things.


Best regards,

Epaminondas
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« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2006, 12:18:08 PM »
whew.gif Thanks, E. You must be fast on the keyboard! I'll give that some thought, and another read later.

I called Trans-Union and was told they would notify the other two firms. I also called the library, so that's taken care of. I tried to call the DMV....

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« Last Edit: December 07, 2006, 12:20:38 PM by Gregg »
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.

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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2006, 12:31:13 PM »
QUOTE(Mayo @ Dec 7 2006, 07:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Gregg- Don't let the bastards get you down!

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« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2006, 01:11:39 PM »
Sorry I didn't have anything to say about home security... I was riffing off of Paddy's post since we have been doing a lot of traveling in recent years and we had a lot to learn when we started out...

One suggestion I do have re home safety is to make an effort to get to know all your neighbors.  One reason we have stayed in our current home 16+ years is that we know everyone and we have cordial relations with our neighbors.  When someone moves into the neighborhood (there have only been three houses sold in recent years) we make a point of going over and introducing ourselves which usually seems to shock the newcomers because Americans don't seem to reach out much in this day and age.

The folks who have lived across the street from us for the entire time we have been here are a retired police chief and his wife who was also a police officer.   police.gif

One day he called me and asked whether I knew that there were two men in my driveway standing next to a large, unmarked van.  He told me that he had seen more than a few residential buglaries where everything valuable in a house had been stuffed into what looked like a moving van and then carted off.

I let him know that the guys were from Circuit City and they were delivering a new TV.  CC was using a leased van that didn't have the store's name on it.

You can't buy that kind of "burglar alarm!"

As far as dogs go, we had a great dog for 13 years and she was both friendly and Very Watchful. But I caution people to think carefully before getting a dog mainly to guard one's house.  Dog's are meant to be companion animals, not living burglar alarms/security guards.  Leaving an animal alone for hours at a time is not fair to the dog and such dogs can develop serious behavior problems and actually become a neighborhood nuisance with their barking.  Unfortunately this is a very common problem as any animal control officer will tell you...

Since I work out of my home and my wife works part-time our dog was seldom alone (and when she was she never caused any problems... Boy, were we spoiled!) but I would not have a dog if both of us worked away from home all day long (unless I could take the dog with me.) In that situation I suggest putting up signs indicating the presence of a dog and installing a good burglar alarm system.

The cost of installing and monitoring the system is about the same as caring for a dog, and it is a much better deal for our loyal canine buddies.
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« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2006, 01:20:37 PM »
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we make a point of going over and introducing ourselves which usually seems to shock the newcomers because Americans don't seem to reach out much in this day and age.

Do you find this sad? I do. We lived in our last house 27 years and found many of our neighbors almost unapproachable. Our new neighborhood - we've met almost everyone on the block. We chat, wave and all that. I know it's small town living, but I sure do like it.

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« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2006, 01:38:31 PM »
Yeah, we've tried to get to know our neighbors, but not hard enough. There's only one that we really talk to very much. When they're gone all day at work, it doesn't provide any added security. There will never be a dog in our house. No negotiations, no exceptions.
Ya gotta applaud those bunnies for sacrificing their hearing just so some guy in Cupertino can have better TV reception.