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10.5.1 trouble with booting/seeing external firewire?
« on: February 07, 2008, 09:05:45 AM »
I'm trying to use an external firewire drive to boot and copy partition images on the internal drive partitions of a 20" iMAC Intel.  Things worked until I updated the external drive to 10.5.1 and then I could no longer boot from the external drive.  On a hunch I went ahead and updated the internal system to 10.5.1 and now I can't seem to see the external drives at all.  Anyone else heard of this problem?
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2008, 12:45:52 PM »
The Apple forums are littered with people having issues of various sorts with FW drives and Leopard. Haven't yet found a sure-fire set of fixes. sad.gif

A few things to consider:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=88338
http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20041221081432908

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...83&#6290683

What make and model of external drive is this?
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2008, 08:34:59 PM »
I am experiencing a similar issue. I don't have any issues booting, but the internal boot drive isn't showing on my desktop or sidebar along with any of my FireWire hard drives which are 500GB Segate and a couple of OWC Neptune drives built as a raid. The second internal drive that I use for back up is showing up fine.

I have a few aliases set up to various folders from the FireWire drives and I can use them no problem. And I can still boot and navigate but have to jump through some hoops to get the root level of the internal hard drive.

I haven't figured out a fix yet.


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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2008, 08:40:35 PM »
Welcome, FultonKBD! biggrin.gif

There is a script link at the end of this Apple thread that fixed things for one person:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...96&#5972596
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2008, 08:51:46 PM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 7 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome, FultonKBD! biggrin.gif

There is a script link at the end of this Apple thread that fixed things for one person:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...96&#5972596



Thanks for the greeting and thanks for the link. I'll take a look.
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« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 01:08:31 AM »
Paddy, and everyone the final thread   ( http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?m...83&#6290683 )
describes my problem to a "T" and I'm convinced that it's not the connections or anything else but something to do with updating to 10.5.1 or an update that went through at the same time.  I'll try some things tomorrow including changing to an external USB 2.00 adapter that I have here at home.  The firewire is one made by TEAC and and hasn't failed me yet although it is only a 400 Mbit/s and not an 800!

Welcome to TS FultonKBD!  I looked at your profile (to see if you might be from Fulton, MO) & enjoyed looking at your website as well.
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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 07:24:06 AM »
QUOTE(gunug @ Feb 8 2008, 01:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Welcome to TS FultonKBD!  I looked at your profile (to see if you might be from Fulton, MO).


Nope! From NEO. Spent a year there one day... I think.

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« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 08:26:30 AM »
Thanks to everyone who has welcomed me. Nope not from MO, the Fulton comes from Canal Fulton which is near Akron, OH.

So last night I tried the AppleScript from the link Paddy posted. It worked for each drive until I went to run it for the last drive. When I applied the script, the Finder quit as it should and the other drives I ran through the script disappeared again.

So I'm back to square one.
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2008, 10:24:35 AM »
Weird. Can you run it on the one that it didn't work on (first) and see what happens? If it still doesn't work, you could at least get the others working (maybe - testing would be in order of course).

Wonder if there is something in the firmware of the last drive that doesn't play nice with 10.5.1?
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2008, 10:39:09 AM »
I'm having somewhat the same problem after having switched the drive up to a USB 2.00 box.  I'm going to reinstall 10.5 and I'm not going to let it update!  I think there is something in 10.5.1 that is not ready for prime time!  

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« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 10:40:07 AM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 8 2008, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Weird. Can you run it on the one that it didn't work on (first) and see what happens? If it still doesn't work, you could at least get the others working (maybe - testing would be in order of course).

Wonder if there is something in the firmware of the last drive that doesn't play nice with 10.5.1?


I continued trying various orders of the hard drives but the Apple script doesn't do anything at all to any drive. I was able to get the boot drive to show and stay shown but the other internal partition is still invisible and all the FireWire drives are still invisible.



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« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2008, 11:24:25 AM »
Out of curiosity (and you may have gone through this already) - how did you apply the 10.5.1 update? Have you tried reapplying the combo update? This problem isn't universal - probably the majority of people have NOT had this issue, so it's hard to say whether it's something in the 10.5.1 update or some other factor that may not appear to be related, but in fact is.

What happens if you start up as a different user? Or in Safe Mode? Any differences? Does Disk Utility see the drives? Can you unmount them and then mount them again? (My externals disappear and then reappear in the sidebar when I do this, as one would expect)

Have you tried trashing the Finder .plist and then restarting? Resetting the PRAM (it does store info about the startup volume, so might be worth a shot)

These may all be long shots, but possibly worth a go if you haven't tried them yet.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2008, 11:50:52 AM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Feb 8 2008, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Out of curiosity (and you may have gone through this already) - how did you apply the 10.5.1 update? Have you tried reapplying the combo update? This problem isn't universal - probably the majority of people have NOT had this issue, so it's hard to say whether it's something in the 10.5.1 update or some other factor that may not appear to be related, but in fact is.

What happens if you start up as a different user? Or in Safe Mode? Any differences? Does Disk Utility see the drives? Can you unmount them and then mount them again? (My externals disappear and then reappear in the sidebar when I do this, as one would expect)

Have you tried trashing the Finder .plist and then restarting? Resetting the PRAM (it does store info about the startup volume, so might be worth a shot)

These may all be long shots, but possibly worth a go if you haven't tried them yet.


Actually, I haven't really done any troubleshooting with the problem. Partly because I've been busy. Partly because after upgrading to Leopard I've had a few quirky issues like this. (I just upgraded the system, not archive and install. Plus, I am always messing with my system, installing/uninstalling software and stuff. So it's probably me, not necessarily Leopard.) And partly because this issue hasn't really disrupted my work flow enough.

I was looking for a quick fix and thought I found it with that AppleScript.

To answer your questions - The issue is for all the user accounts. Haven't tried safe mode. Disk Utility can see/verify/repair/mount/unmount the drives. Haven't reset the PRAM and haven't trashed the finder.plist file. So now I will need take some time and troubleshoot to figure it out.

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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2008, 01:47:43 PM »
The iMAC 20" will find and bootup on the external drive just fine with 10.5 installed on the external drive.  I'm in the process of making an image onto a secondary partition on that drive and while slow it seems to be doing just fine.
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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2008, 02:34:37 PM »
Welcome FultonKBD...from another Ohioan. I'm from Newark and there are several other Ohioans here. You have already realized that there is some very very good help and knowledge here. Again... welcome.gif glad to have you aboard!!!  biggrin.gif
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