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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2008, 08:13:52 PM »
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Yeah, I beat ya by almost two months!


Well, actually Gregg, I beat you by about 4 months - recently that is. wink.gif We discussed it before April too...

http://www.techsurvivors.net/forums/index....showtopic=18784

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« Last Edit: August 22, 2008, 08:14:15 PM by Paddy »
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2008, 03:05:43 AM »
What time is it?    


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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2008, 06:28:38 AM »
QUOTE(Paddy @ Aug 22 2008, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Yeah, I beat ya by almost two months!


Well, actually Gregg, I beat you by about 4 months - recently that is. wink.gif We discussed it before April too...

http://www.techsurvivors.net/forums/index....showtopic=18784

(Deja vu all over again... rolleyes.gif )


Phew! At least I didn't have a post in that one! laugh.gif

And in it, you said:

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We discussed this a while ago (didn't search for the original thread - easier just to link to the directions again!)


What day is it??? wacko.gif

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2008, 09:34:26 AM »
Thank you all.

As I had written in my initial post, my computer is an iMac G5 PPC, OS 10.4.11, repeat OS 10.4.11. So any solutions for OS 10.5.x, does not necessarily mean it would work with OS 10.4.11.

Again, as I wrote, I referred to this thick head of mine! No matter what I try using the System’s way of selections, i.e. Date&Time and International Panel Preferences, I can only display the day and time. See the following Preferences pictures, Date & Time Clock, International, and the resultant Menu Bar 1.
[attachment=1032:Date___Time_Clock.jpg]
[attachment=1033:International.jpg]
[attachment=1034:Menu_Bar_1.jpg]

I finally gave up on the “Apple’ way, and elected to follow Thomas England’s (and other’s) suggestion to use MagiCal. I now have what I have been wanting for years. See picture Menu Bar 2.
[attachment=1035:Menu_Bar_2.jpg]

Sorry for having posted a topic that had been discussed before. No matter, I finally resolved something that had frustrated me for a long time. And thanks for the patience of all to have supported me so that I could pursue this matter to a satisfying end.

Longue vie à Techsurvivors.

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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2008, 10:04:51 AM »
Er, jb, glad you found a solution that worked, but if you noticed, the date on the blog posting I linked to was June 2006 - almost a year and a half before Tiger appeared. It works in 10.4 - honest - I did it. You have to copy and paste the day and month settings into the time setting (all in custom view) - as per the instructions. You cannot do it simply from what is offered in the custom view. smile.gif

BTW - finally found the original discussion of the 4 we have now had on this subject, and in that I linked to the same set of instructions I did in this thread. At the time, I had 10.4.x installed, scout's honor! wink.gif

http://www.techsurvivors.net/forums/index....amp;hl=menu+bar (Nov. 2006)
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« Reply #20 on: August 23, 2008, 12:50:00 PM »
QUOTE(jb @ Aug 23 2008, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry for having posted a topic that had been discussed before. No matter, I finally resolved something that had frustrated me for a long time. And thanks for the patience of all to have supported me so that I could pursue this matter to a satisfying end.

Don't worry about bringing up an "older" topic. You never know when there might be a newer answer. Plus now I've found something I like even better than wClock. smile.gif

Thanks for sticking with us, and I'm glad you found a workable solution.


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« Reply #21 on: August 23, 2008, 06:03:03 PM »
Thanks Paddy and Kimmer.

Guess what! I finally got the Menu Bar to display the Apple System’s Date and Time the way I wanted. But only after reading again and again several posts here and there.
Before following Paul Stamatiou’s procedure, as suggested by Paddy and others, one has to know that 2 Preference panels are involved, Date & Time and International. Of course everybody knows that. But not everybody knows that one has to go between the 2 panels  as well as between the 2 panels in the International panel several times before achieving what one wants.

The following shows why several small apps are available to make it simpler to show the Date and Time in the Menu bar.

First and foremost, in the International Preference panel:

- In the Region box, select ‘Custom’.
- Select Formats.
- Select ‘Customize’ in the Dates section.
- Select Show ‘Short’.
a) If there is anything in the box following, select the first item, ensure it is highlighted, select Menu bar Edit, Select All, and Delete.
b) If there is nothing in the box, proceed to the next step.
- Select Show ‘Medium’. Repeat steps as in the ‘Short’ steps a) and b) above.
- Select Show ‘Long’. Repeat steps as in the ‘Short’ steps a) and b) above.
- Select Show ‘Full’. Repeat steps as in the ‘Short’ steps a) and b) above.
- Select OK.

- Select ‘Customize’ in the Times section.
- Select Show ‘Short’.
a) If there is anything in the box following, select the first item, ensure it is highlighted, select Menu bar Edit, Select All, and Delete.
b) If there is nothing in the box, proceed to the next step.
- Select Show ‘Medium’. Repeat steps as in the ‘Short’ steps a) and b) above.
- Select Show ‘Long’. Repeat steps as in the ‘Short’ steps a) and b) above.
- Select Show ‘Full’. Repeat steps as in the ‘Short’ steps a) and b) above.
- Select OK.

- Select ‘Customize’ in the Dates section.
- Select Show ‘Medium’.
- Click and Drag the Date Elements, one at atime, in the desired order, in the box under the Show selection. Example, click and drag the Day of the Week to the box. Disregard the name of the day. Once in the box, click on the element. Notice a small downward arrow to the right of the element. Click on it and select the way this element is to be shown, e.g. long or short.
- Repeat for the other Date Elements.
- Click on the first element in the box under the Show selection.
- Select Menu bar Edit, Select All, and Copy.
- Select OK.

- Select ‘Customize’ in the Times section.
- Select Show ‘Medium’.
- Paste the Copied Date Elements in the box under the Show selection.
- Click and Drag the Time Elements, one at atime, in the desired order, in the box under the Show selection. Insert the Elements before or after the copied Date Elements as desired.
- Select OK.

- Close the International Preference panel.
- Open the Date & Time Preference panel.
- Select the Clock section.
- Check ‘Show the date and time’. If unchecked the Date and Time will not show in the Menu bar.
- View in ‘Menu Bar’ or ‘Window’.
- View as ‘Digital’ or ‘Analog’.
- Check ‘Display the time with seconds’, if desired. Note: This selection overrides the selection made in the 'Second' Time element in the International Preference panel.
- Check ‘Show AM/PM’, if desired. Note: This selection is grayed out if the ‘Use a 24 hour clock’ below is checked OR if the 'Hour' Time element in the International Preference panel is selected as 24 hour.  
- Ensure ‘Show the day of the week’ is UNCHECKED, if the day of the week was added as a 'Date' Element in the Dates section of the International Preference Panel. Otherwise there will be 2 day inscriptions in the Menu bar.
- Check ‘Flash the time seperators’, if desired.
- Check ‘Use a 24-hour clock, if desired. Note: This selection overrides the selection made in the 'Hour' Time element in the International Preference panel.

Lots of “ifs and buts”. No wonder so many people, like me, who could not ‘easily and readily’ set up their Date and Time in the Menu bar.
For instance how is someone to know that the selections in the Dates and Times Show 'Short', 'Medium', 'Long', and 'Full' selections must ALL be erased before entering new Dates and Times elements in the International panel?

Anyway all is well again in jb's world. Still, I will use MagiCal as it allows me to bold the characters.

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« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2008, 07:00:34 PM »
I didn't do much in the way of deleting, jb - just customized the date the way I wanted it and then copied that into the medium time panel. Had to adjust spacing a bit, but that was about it. Anyway, as long as everyone's happy! wink.gif
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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2008, 01:53:06 AM »
if you google wclock Kelly says:
wClock - Techsurvivors
Haven't tried the other sharewares, but have been enjoing wClock for a year (or two). It just works as adverised. I geat little app. ...
www.techsurvivors.net/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=6&t=6917&hl=clock - 44k - Cached

http://www.techsurvivors.net/forums/index....17&hl=clock

http://www.google.com/search?q=wclock&...earch+Mac+Sites

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« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2008, 01:57:42 AM »
I like wClock. smile.gif

OK, now let's all agree to link to THIS thread whenever someone asks the question again.   toothgrin.gif


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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2008, 02:29:18 PM »
Well, at least jb didn't have to go to all the trouble of downloading and starting-up a program!   rolleyes.gif

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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2008, 08:30:24 PM »
QUOTE(jb @ Aug 23 2008, 06:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Guess what! I finally got the Menu Bar to display the Apple System’s Date and Time the way I wanted.


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« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2008, 08:03:19 AM »
Thanks Paddy - I used your link and have finally got the date in the menubar; it had been irritating having to click on the time to find out the date! Seem to remember OS9 allowed for that without a lot of fiddling about. But I could well be wrong - after all, I am a man biggrin.gif

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